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The 'server crashed' story seems strange considering that the eaglelounge.com splash page loads good as does the 'down for mx' message from the forums.eaglelounge.com software. I've run that forum software before and it is pretty much stable and crash-proof -- unlike some pilots I know . . .
If the legal action story is correct, then that is just sad. Not AAmazing, just sad.
If the legal action story is correct, then that is just sad. Not AAmazing, just sad.
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Many moons ago I ran an Internet forum for Eagle pilots. I ended up closing it down -- selling eaglepilot.com and eaglepilots.com for $500 each to AMR and an (Internet bubble) investor -- but it was my choice. AMR did not close me down. However, I am guessing that AMR and its legal team did push the closure of Eaglelounge.com
I came back from a couple of days at Oshkosh filled with the passion of flying. My answering machine was full of messages from ALPA pro standards, ALPA national and AMR managers. What da? Someone had posted a huge amount of photos that combined images of Nazi Germany, concentration camps, and American Eagle. Work will set you free. There is freedom of political speach in the US, but an employer can limit its employees from sluring it in public. AMR rule 32 limits many kinds of employee speech. A forum board has to censor. I have no interest in censoring, so after going back and forth and continued problems with postings I closed the board down. It was a fun experiment with the then still new Internet. But I didnt need to lose my job over it.
Eaglelounge was run by a non AMR employee, there were cut outs between Eaglelounge and Eagle ALPA, but it was well within the reach of AMR.
If you wanted to run a good site now, one would have a 'friend' in another country pay cash to set it up, paying for several years in advance. AMR management read the old Eaglepilots.com every day. I'm sure they did not like Eaglelounge . . .
I came back from a couple of days at Oshkosh filled with the passion of flying. My answering machine was full of messages from ALPA pro standards, ALPA national and AMR managers. What da? Someone had posted a huge amount of photos that combined images of Nazi Germany, concentration camps, and American Eagle. Work will set you free. There is freedom of political speach in the US, but an employer can limit its employees from sluring it in public. AMR rule 32 limits many kinds of employee speech. A forum board has to censor. I have no interest in censoring, so after going back and forth and continued problems with postings I closed the board down. It was a fun experiment with the then still new Internet. But I didnt need to lose my job over it.
Eaglelounge was run by a non AMR employee, there were cut outs between Eaglelounge and Eagle ALPA, but it was well within the reach of AMR.
If you wanted to run a good site now, one would have a 'friend' in another country pay cash to set it up, paying for several years in advance. AMR management read the old Eaglepilots.com every day. I'm sure they did not like Eaglelounge . . .
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Yeah, it's real informative to see every thread fall into the same pi$$ing match about flowbacks. Eaglelounge had about 4 threads worth reading since its inception.
I'd love to see a real lounge where you had to log in with your ID #. Then maybe it'd be worth reading. Until then, I can't stand reading the posturing of some internet tough guy behind an anonymous title over and over.
I'd love to see a real lounge where you had to log in with your ID #. Then maybe it'd be worth reading. Until then, I can't stand reading the posturing of some internet tough guy behind an anonymous title over and over.
labbats
I don't know what airline you work for, but try logging into your local ALPA message board. Though not as ugly, ours has the same complaints at times.
Secondly, no one said you had to read the boards if they are that negative for you. I hate hearing the same #$@% over and over too, but it's the reality we face. Maybe you should walk a mile in some of these people shoes before you criticize their comments/thoughts.
I don't know what airline you work for, but try logging into your local ALPA message board. Though not as ugly, ours has the same complaints at times.
Secondly, no one said you had to read the boards if they are that negative for you. I hate hearing the same #$@% over and over too, but it's the reality we face. Maybe you should walk a mile in some of these people shoes before you criticize their comments/thoughts.
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These message boards need more active and strict moderation and control. Without 'rules' that are enforced message boards morph into personality clashes and places for people without a social life to vent. (I'm in that group)
Let's face it, even this site doesn't have good moderation. They got it nicely divided up into sections and you still have people posting industry newsclippings in the interview side of things...or which computer you should buy. Nothing wrong with either of those subjects...and most would read it...but it needs moderation.
If someone posted defamatory, tastless, or even off-topic pictures as was mentioned above on eaglelounge and that got it shut down-- then they had it coming and I don't feel the least bit sorry for them.
your mileage may vary
Let's face it, even this site doesn't have good moderation. They got it nicely divided up into sections and you still have people posting industry newsclippings in the interview side of things...or which computer you should buy. Nothing wrong with either of those subjects...and most would read it...but it needs moderation.
If someone posted defamatory, tastless, or even off-topic pictures as was mentioned above on eaglelounge and that got it shut down-- then they had it coming and I don't feel the least bit sorry for them.
your mileage may vary
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eaglelounge, tsalounge, chqlounge, and others were all operated by the same person or group, and were in fact all the same IP address when mapped. It appears that the sites are not only down but the domain names have been unregestered or at least disassociated from an IP address. That would seem to indicate that the sites are gone for a while at least, not a simple server problem..
..CT
..CT
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All good thing come to an end...
I guess, with the intensity and the vulgarity that was growing on Eaglelounge, it's demise was inevitable. SkyGod's insight is right on target.
There is animosity toward the flow-backs. There is also animosity from AA pilots toward Eagle pilots. Both are mis-placed. Unfortunately, AA and AE pilots have a common problem that we ignore like an 800 pound gorilla in the living room during a christmas party. You know, the one every one sees, but no one wants to acknowledge?
We have a management group that, while threatening bankruptcy, secures $660 million in concessions from APA, puts $45 million in a bankruptcy proof account to secure the retirements for it's top managers, while it is behind on its payments to the pilots retirement fund. We have a management group that enters into two-party agreements to change four-party contracts. We have a management group that is more interested in their own security than the security of the airline or the employees that make it run. We have a management group that tries to control the people doing the job, with their job. We have a management group that openly pits groups of employees against each other, using the distraction and ill-will to their advantage.
AMR is only one of the legacy carriers that is stuck in 1980s. We haven't made a serious change in our business plan or our management structure in years. That is suicide right now, when high oil prices, serious LLC competition and competition from other legacy carriers that are operating at lower costs due to their bankruptcy protections.
The venom that was prevalent on Eaglelounge needs to be re-directed into ideas that could change AA/AE into a management-lean, performance oriented airline, that can not only survive in the current market, but could be named as the only other airline, besides Southwest, that is making a profit in 2006.
When we can get rid of the "VP of the Size of Water Bottles", along with it's $150,000 salary and bonuses, stock options and health insurance that isn't available to pilots, then we can compete.
Let the Board at APA and the MEC at ALPA handle relations between the pilot groups. While it may have been theraputic to vent for a while behind the anonymity of an internet site, it is counter-productive.
Hence, my attempt at a more productive rant...
I guess, with the intensity and the vulgarity that was growing on Eaglelounge, it's demise was inevitable. SkyGod's insight is right on target.
There is animosity toward the flow-backs. There is also animosity from AA pilots toward Eagle pilots. Both are mis-placed. Unfortunately, AA and AE pilots have a common problem that we ignore like an 800 pound gorilla in the living room during a christmas party. You know, the one every one sees, but no one wants to acknowledge?
We have a management group that, while threatening bankruptcy, secures $660 million in concessions from APA, puts $45 million in a bankruptcy proof account to secure the retirements for it's top managers, while it is behind on its payments to the pilots retirement fund. We have a management group that enters into two-party agreements to change four-party contracts. We have a management group that is more interested in their own security than the security of the airline or the employees that make it run. We have a management group that tries to control the people doing the job, with their job. We have a management group that openly pits groups of employees against each other, using the distraction and ill-will to their advantage.
AMR is only one of the legacy carriers that is stuck in 1980s. We haven't made a serious change in our business plan or our management structure in years. That is suicide right now, when high oil prices, serious LLC competition and competition from other legacy carriers that are operating at lower costs due to their bankruptcy protections.
The venom that was prevalent on Eaglelounge needs to be re-directed into ideas that could change AA/AE into a management-lean, performance oriented airline, that can not only survive in the current market, but could be named as the only other airline, besides Southwest, that is making a profit in 2006.
When we can get rid of the "VP of the Size of Water Bottles", along with it's $150,000 salary and bonuses, stock options and health insurance that isn't available to pilots, then we can compete.
Let the Board at APA and the MEC at ALPA handle relations between the pilot groups. While it may have been theraputic to vent for a while behind the anonymity of an internet site, it is counter-productive.
Hence, my attempt at a more productive rant...
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