Eagle Saabs are being Tranfered and More

[surplus1]

Re: spin

One list is just the opposite. In the end, pilot issues are not the deciding and or over riding consideration.

In the light of the new DL/CO/NW/cmr/asa/coex/pcl/mesaba code share agreement and the new DAL LCC "subsidiary", I too wonder how long it will be before pilots get the message that their previous games have ended. Management owns the bat, the balls and the umpires.

As soon as the new "conservative" congress passes the McCain/Lott bill the victory will be total.

 

[AOPAPILOT]

The one problem that everyone fails to look at is the different pay scales for different equipment. What is needed is uniformity. If you are a CAP on a RJ or a CAP on a B 757, you should be paid on a seniority number, rather than equipment size. If both CAPs have 15 years service, then both would be paid the same. The FOs would be under the same pay schedule. It would make it a lot simpler for both sides to get along rather than fight. I know you guys/gals don’t want to give up what has been the norm, but with all the furloughed pilots these days, I would consider a pay cut to keep flying rather than walk the line. The pilot pay has been calculated according to the number of revenue seats on the equipment, plus years service, rather than the number of years with the airline. It has worked in the past, but in today’s environment, this also must be up for consideration. Is this why CFI’s are paid so low? Only one revenue source.

Maybe the airlines should take a clue from the NASCAR boys and put sponsor logos on and inside each aircraft. This is an instant revenue source.

Look at the success of Southwest. They fly the same equipment on all routes. Econ 101 simplified. Watch Delta, in the eastern flyways. They have now started talks and will try to compete, under a new, as yet, named airline, which, will use B757s on all routes. The new airline will try to give Jet Blue and AirTran completion for the passengers that fly on the cheap. Can they (Delta) use the furloughed mainline pilots?

 

[freightdogfred]

[I would consider a pay cut to keep flying rather than walk the line. [/B][/QUOTE]


Perhaps you should get your nose out of the boss's ass and fly the line first before you make a statement like that. Perhaps a month or two on a FO's salary might see you singing a different tune........

 

[Publishers]

pay structures

One of the biggest ruses perpetuated on the pilot labor relations is the concept of pay by size of aircraft. In fact, this is merely a method for determination of pay. It has absolutely no basis in reality.

It presents some logic to the illogical. On the other hand to think that a pilot with senority iss going to be paid a fortune for flying a 19 passenger aircraft is equally ludicrous.

When you base the entire structure on artifical thought processes, it should come as no surprise when it fails.

 

[AOPAPILOT]

With your thought process, awards for aviation accidents should be for the size of the aircraft, not for death/injury. In what you are saying, if a PAX is injured/killed on an RJ, they should be awarded less then a PAX injured/killed on a B777. The reality awards do not look at the size of the equipment.

 

[Publishers]

business

With that apples to oranges thinking, I doubt that I am clever enough to debate the subject with someone of such great insight.

I am basically saying that the size of the aircraft should not be that relative to pay. It was in fact the unions that perpetuated the thinking that you should get more or less by equipment.

Obviously most of the time, the individual with the most senority was also the guy flying the bigger equipment.

Let me use a non flying example or two.

First a receptionist job at a company may pay $10 an hour. The fact is that if the individual that has that job stay remained in that positon for 25 years, it may still be a $10 a year jobp. For argument purpose, we are not considering cost of living or other adjustment.

When the labor unions for the most part started the scope of work type argument, they pushed for bigger aircraft, bigger pay due to all that supposed responsibility.

Their pushing that argument led to what you have today, some structure that makes no real sense. The fact is that had it not, the pay for larger aircraft would not be nearly so high but the lower would be getting more.

If you took it another way, the pilot of an RJ who had decided to never upgrade but had senority may be making $270,000 a year which destroys the economics of the RJ.