Eagle minimums

[labbats]

Could someone please explain why a low time guy like me would even consider going to Eagle? With what was posted above, I'm looking at 4 years minimum to captain. If I go anywhere else, it's less, and often half that.

 

[flyby]

huh

Could someone please explain why a low time guy like me would even consider going to Eagle? With what was posted above, I'm looking at 4 years minimum to captain. If I go anywhere else, it's less, and often half that.

What does time have to do with anything? You mean your 'time' in years of age? The last I checked putting time in ones logbook didn't entitle them to a job.

Now for your dilemma. You have 850 hrs. Do you have other interviews scheduled? Are you currently flight insructing, 135, piston, t-prop, jet? What are your ultimate goals? Do you want to live in Dallas, Houston, Salt Lake City, New York? Are you married? Kids?

If I were you I wouldn't consider going to Eagle 'cause you already seem to be biased against it. Even if you could get an interview with your experience level, you'd probably never be happy there. You should wait to take the job at the other airlines before Eagle. Don't even apply because the perceived upgrade time doesn't meet your standards. You're surely going to get on with Air Wisconsin, XJET, Mesaba, Comair, CHQ, TSA, etc... before you you could get on with Eagle. Does that sound like a good strategy?

This industry changes all the time. One man's trash is another man's treasure. Here today, gone tomorrow.

Let me offer some advice. The best airline is the one that hires you... period. You keep your options open, take what you can get and go from there.

good luck!

 

[English]

ENGLISH, what are you doing now?

Right now? Playing on the computer.

Oh, you mean for a job? I'm waiting for IOE to start at Aloha Airlines. Shhh...don't tell Hugh Jorgan they gave me five weeks off, he won't be happy...

 

[LAXSaabdude]

You "forgot" to mention Chautauqua, maybe????

Nope, they didn't get any of our airplanes.

LAXSaabdude.

 

[LAXSaabdude]

Could someone please explain why a low time guy like me would even consider going to Eagle? With what was posted above, I'm looking at 4 years minimum to captain. If I go anywhere else, it's less, and often half that.

I'm not defending Eagle specifically, but I think you should look at other factors than upgrade time.

A 2 year upgrade is only relevant for the people that were hired 2 years ago.

When I was hired at Eagle there was a 2 year upgrade in the Jetstream. As soon as I got there, they announced that they were getting rid of the Jetstreams. Suddenly it took me 2.5 years just to get off reserve as an FO. A lot of good that 2 year upgrade did me.

Then, suddenly, things started moving again, and I was a captain in 3.5 years, and holding a line as a captain only a few months later.

The biggest mistake people make in this industry is "linear projection". They take the state of the company as it stands today, an project that trend, in a straight line, out into infinity. I.e., if there are 1 year upgrades now, there will always be 1 year upgrades. If there are 8 year upgrades, there will always be 8 year upgrades. It never works that way. This industry has ups and downs, and it is foolish to assume that todays trends are going to continue indefinitely.

Look at the bases, pay, aircraft, and other factors involved with the company. If you still want to take upgrade time into account, don't look at historical trends, look at the current fleet size, projected orders, projected aircraft retirements, projected pilot retirements, and average attrition and try to make an educated guess based on that.

LAXSaabdude.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

I'm waiting for IOE to start at Aloha Airlines. Shhh...don't tell Hugh Jorgan they gave me five weeks off, he won't be happy...

Humph....Don't tell English the 6-month counter for -700 upgrade doesn't start until COMPLETION of IOE...She won't be happy. Gotta love having another body junior to me in the -200 base for an extra five weeks!

I wonder if that would have to round up to 2 months?????

 

[labbats]

Thanks for the responses. I'm still learning all the ins and outs of what to look for.

 

[English]

Humph....Don't tell English the 6-month counter for -700 upgrade doesn't start until COMPLETION of IOE...She won't be happy. Gotta love having another body junior to me in the -200 base for an extra five weeks!

I wonder if that would have to round up to 2 months?????

OUCH OUCH!! The pain, the pain....

But, I may not bid over after all. There might be something to the sitting on the beach on reserve thing.

Guess I'll have another mai tai while I ponder my fate.

 

[Freight Dog]

Both of you may get reversed... The whole class before you got reversed into the -700. Gotta wait out the 6 month deal... kinda lame.

 

[English]

Hey Freight Dog, does the six month clock really start after the completion of IOE? I've gotten three different answers so far...

 

[Freight Dog]

I'm pretty sure it's not the DOH. It's either completion or start of IOE. I'm pretty sure it's completion though.

Ask either Lydia or Jill.. they'd know for sure.

 

[English]

Thanks. Jill said DOH.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

But, I may not bid over after all. There might be something to the sitting on the beach on reserve thing.

Now we're talkin! I think FD is probably right though... DCA goes through, we'll be inversed so fast it'll make our heads spin faster than them Duke's Mai Tai's.....or a few good homebrews!

Looks like a big 7500 on this thread, eh? Sorry Eagle dudes.

 

[amcnd]

If you pick a airline based on what there upgrades are right at this moment, you have the same amount of luck picking the lottery. Lets go back in time 7 years. Eagle had 2 year upgrades, and just starting to get Jets. SkyWest had ten Jets with no plans to get more. Air wisky had long upgrades (6 years I belive )Comair,Coex,ASA all pay for training. CHQ all J31 and Saab operater with 180+ or - total Pilots. Allot can happen in 6 years. find a company that suits your needs and looks to be a strong player. But usualy it's the first one that hires you and you hope all your cards fall into place.

 

[FO 4 Life]

I'm just being nosy English. If you got hired at Eagle in 2001, where'd you get your SF340 type? And why bother going to Eagle if you were already a captain?