Eagle minimums

[flying dutchboy]

Does anyone know what the minimums are at Eagle?

 

[Humphry]

I think 1500tt and 300 multi, but don't hold me to it!

 

[Varig]

Are they still hiring??

 

[jetexas]

Yeah, Eagle is supposed to hire several hunderd this year.

 

[searching]

How long will the upgrade be at Eagle?
I have heard the rumors of the 10 year upgrade, was curious to find out if it is true. I still have another year to go of school, but just curious.

 

[jetexas]

Upgrade (to turborprop captain) is at 5 years right now. The company is saying it will go down to 4 - 4.5 years.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

Upgrade (to turborprop captain) is at 5 years right now. The company is saying it will go down to 4 - 4.5 years.

 

[F-eagle]

I have been at Eagle for 3.5 years. The Junior CA is 450 numbers ahead of me. I plan on taking the junior upgrade, on the rock. I think I will be able to upgrade in about 1 year.

 

[English]

My good friend is an Eagle Saab captain. In 2001, he told me he was 100 numbers from the jet, which would take about a year to hold. After 9/11, he was still 100 numbers away, but said it would take longer due to flowbacks. Now he says he is 50 numbers away, and that he should be awarded the jet within a year.

So, he has been one year away from the jet for three years.

Now, F-eagle, you are 450 numbers away? Using my friend's math, if it takes three years to move up 50 numbers, then you should hold captain in 9 years.

Don't worry, Criner says the upgrades will come down. He also said that everyone hired in the late 90s-early 2000s would eventually flow through to American.

Sorry, my friend, I have to tease you a little bit for drinking the Kool-aid. It's usually not like you.

 

[F-eagle]

I'm not drinking the kool-aid at all, shiiot man, look at my name. If your friend is only 50 numbers from the jet, today, he will hold the jet in two months from now. We had something like 25 Eagle guys awarded the jet this month. We are getting 3-4 planes a month, and American has not announced any furloughs in the future, which means no flow backs. Your friend needs to take a math class.
I will admit however that I am on the optimistic side. Anyone that has been through the 9/11 B.S. knows it can all change tomorrow. My theory is that a lot of the Current FO's will pass up SJU ATR CA upgrade, I will not. The next few month will tell a lot.
PS Don't ever accuse me of drinking the Eagle cool-aid, or listening to the fat C.

 

[English]

F-eagle, I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed for ya, and hope the upgrade times come down for all of you at Eagle.

I was a Jan 2001 new hire at Eagle. I guess I'd make captain in 1.5 years or so if I'd stayed there?

 

[LAXSaabdude]

OK, just the facts. I'm a "numbers" kinda guy, so everything I say is pretty much factual, without any influence, positive or negative, of any propaganda.

Took me 8 years, almost to the day, to make RJ capt.

Prop fleet size is expected to be pretty steady this year, so backfills should allow for almost equal number of prop CA upgrades as jets are added to the fleet, so prop upgrade time should come down this year. Retirements should increase again next year.

Average bid has been for about 15 jet capts per month for quite some time now. This stopped for a while while our company was giving away our airplanes to Trans Mistakes, but vacancies resumed last spring. The last few months, many of the upgrade spots have been taken by flowbacks, but the last furlough appears to be done now, so this should no longer be a factor.

Expect about 180 jet upgrades per year. Not everyone takes the jet bid at their earliest availability (QOL issues), so the junior jet captain could move down the list by over 200 numbers per year. With minimal prop retirements, prop CA could come down by an equal number.

I originally expected to hold the jet in 2/02, but with flowbacks, outsourcing of flying (TSA), and more furloughs things came to a grinding halt for over a year. But, as always, things are cyclical, and change quickly. Whatever happened yesterday is no indication of what happens today, and whatever happens today is no indication of what will happen tomorrow.

LAXSaabdude.

 

[Humphry]

ENGLISH, what are you doing now?

 

[767200]

This stopped for a while while our company was giving away our airplanes to Trans Mistakes, but vacancies resumed last spring.


I originally expected to hold the jet in 2/02, but with flowbacks, outsourcing of flying (TSA), and more furloughs things came to a grinding halt for over a year.

LAXSaabdude. [/B][/QUOTE]

You "forgot" to mention Chautauqua, maybe????

 

[amcnd]

You need to remember Eagle went form pre 9-11 with 230 props to post 9-11 at 70 props. this has caused very little movement the last 3 years. We now are getting 3-4 Jets a month for the next 2 years with no props leaving (except 6 ATR 42's but they are using 72's to replace them) The company said 30-40 newhires a month the next two years but the last 2 months its been about 50-60. Prop CA should be at about 4.5 years by the end of the year with JET at 6 years. Eagle also just anounced they will hire 700 FA's this year. Take it for what its worth but usualy they need twice as many pilots as flight atendents.

 

[labbats]

Could someone please explain why a low time guy like me would even consider going to Eagle? With what was posted above, I'm looking at 4 years minimum to captain. If I go anywhere else, it's less, and often half that.

 

[flyby]

huh

Could someone please explain why a low time guy like me would even consider going to Eagle? With what was posted above, I'm looking at 4 years minimum to captain. If I go anywhere else, it's less, and often half that.

What does time have to do with anything? You mean your 'time' in years of age? The last I checked putting time in ones logbook didn't entitle them to a job.

Now for your dilemma. You have 850 hrs. Do you have other interviews scheduled? Are you currently flight insructing, 135, piston, t-prop, jet? What are your ultimate goals? Do you want to live in Dallas, Houston, Salt Lake City, New York? Are you married? Kids?

If I were you I wouldn't consider going to Eagle 'cause you already seem to be biased against it. Even if you could get an interview with your experience level, you'd probably never be happy there. You should wait to take the job at the other airlines before Eagle. Don't even apply because the perceived upgrade time doesn't meet your standards. You're surely going to get on with Air Wisconsin, XJET, Mesaba, Comair, CHQ, TSA, etc... before you you could get on with Eagle. Does that sound like a good strategy?

This industry changes all the time. One man's trash is another man's treasure. Here today, gone tomorrow.

Let me offer some advice. The best airline is the one that hires you... period. You keep your options open, take what you can get and go from there.

good luck!

 

[English]

ENGLISH, what are you doing now?

Right now? Playing on the computer.

Oh, you mean for a job? I'm waiting for IOE to start at Aloha Airlines. Shhh...don't tell Hugh Jorgan they gave me five weeks off, he won't be happy...

 

[LAXSaabdude]

You "forgot" to mention Chautauqua, maybe????

Nope, they didn't get any of our airplanes.

LAXSaabdude.

 

[LAXSaabdude]

Could someone please explain why a low time guy like me would even consider going to Eagle? With what was posted above, I'm looking at 4 years minimum to captain. If I go anywhere else, it's less, and often half that.

I'm not defending Eagle specifically, but I think you should look at other factors than upgrade time.

A 2 year upgrade is only relevant for the people that were hired 2 years ago.

When I was hired at Eagle there was a 2 year upgrade in the Jetstream. As soon as I got there, they announced that they were getting rid of the Jetstreams. Suddenly it took me 2.5 years just to get off reserve as an FO. A lot of good that 2 year upgrade did me.

Then, suddenly, things started moving again, and I was a captain in 3.5 years, and holding a line as a captain only a few months later.

The biggest mistake people make in this industry is "linear projection". They take the state of the company as it stands today, an project that trend, in a straight line, out into infinity. I.e., if there are 1 year upgrades now, there will always be 1 year upgrades. If there are 8 year upgrades, there will always be 8 year upgrades. It never works that way. This industry has ups and downs, and it is foolish to assume that todays trends are going to continue indefinitely.

Look at the bases, pay, aircraft, and other factors involved with the company. If you still want to take upgrade time into account, don't look at historical trends, look at the current fleet size, projected orders, projected aircraft retirements, projected pilot retirements, and average attrition and try to make an educated guess based on that.

LAXSaabdude.