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JoeMerchant

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American Eagle pilots suggest American may allow American Eagle to simply fade away in favour of CPA agreements with more cost-effective regionals, according to a missive sent to members from American Eagle ALPA MEC Chair Tony Gutierrez.

A thorough investigation of Eagle’s books confirmed what other regionals have been saying since American Eagle’s inception in 1984, that its costs are too high. Indeed, it is clear pilots have little hope for one of America’s largest regionals. Eagle ranked fourth in size in the industry in mid-2010 with 18.7 million passengers. It is not surprising that is ranks number one in the industry in terms of employment which rose to 9240 employees.

ALPA, representing Eagle pilots, recently completed what the union described as an “open-book review of the company’s costs, operations and possible business plans for a proposed independent company," Mr Gutierrez wrote. “We have consulted attorneys, investment bankers, and financial analysts on the potential effects of a divestiture on Eagle.”

Mr Gutierrez concluded that Eagle, is suffering from cost disadvantages just as is its major-carrier partner and is unlikely to survive as a stand-alone carrier because costs would make it almost impossible to win competitive CPA contests even for its own routes.

Spinning off Eagle was always been a very long shot given the track record with other regionals that tried to develop independent operations. ExpressJet is perhaps the closest example as Continental Express executives acquired it from Continental renaming it ExpressJet. However, they took more aircraft than was needed for the Continental feeder operations and could not place it in other CPA contracts to increase the client portfolio and the survivability of the company. Thus, they had little choice but to try branded service similar to Horizon but they were modeling themselves on something that was not that successful in the first place. Coupled with the merciless rise in fuel in 2008, the branded operation was forced to cease operations, much as Independence Air nee Atlantic Coast Airlines, had a few years earlier.

The timing for ExpressJet was unpropitious at best but American Eagle faces the same dynamics today, or worse given its costs. Other regionals have passed on the possible acquisition pointing to costs, just as they have passed on the acquisition of Comair. The fact that Eagle could fade away in their favour must be very fetching to them.

Any new owners will need to reduce overhead sharply and it will likely mean a dramatic restructuring beyond that to get costs in line with their regional peers. American Eagle’s application for blanket permission to fly to any US Open Skies partner a hint of the future. It already has international experience given its Caribbean, Canadian and Mexican rights already held. But given the revelations of the pilot corps, this can be seen, perhaps, as too little, too late.

Mr Gutierrez’s letter confirmed the worst for the operation. "Simply put, AMRs intention is to diversify its regional feed,” he said. “Eagle will do less flying for American in the future and our competitors will be hired to perform the flying that we lose. In fact, management has already begun to lay the groundwork necessary to transfer Eagle’s aircraft, such that they will be owned by AMR and will be available for other regional carriers to bid on."

To say his members are angry is an understatement given the description of factions that want to mount all out warfare on their parent company. He disagreed, however, saying whether or not the regional remains as a subsidiary will likely not produce any more job security than diversification.

“What has protected us from being whipsawed over the past 14 years has not been our wholly owned status, but our 16-year pilot contract which provided the company with labor stability and a long-term guarantee of industry-standard costs,” he responded. “Another significant and stabilizing factor was that AMR is responsible for the mortgages on our aircraft. As those aircraft begin to be paid off over the next few years, we fully expect that AMR will begin the diversification process, even if we remain wholly owned, and subject Eagle to the bidding process to retain its flying. Without intervention, our costs very well could exceed the market rate for regional feed. Therefore, we face the same challenge as a wholly owned carrier as we will if we are an independent company.”

Pilots had expected an announcement during AMR’s shareholder’s meeting this week on 18-May. However, later information indicated the decision on divestiture will be put off, said Mr Gutierrez. Consequently, the union is postponing efforts to negotiate with management to ensure the surviving company “gets off on a solid footing,” until after more clarification on American’s plans for Eagle.

Mr Gutierrez outlined what can be expected after the divestiture announcement is made. AMR will file a Form 10 with the Securities and Exchange Commission to be followed by a three- to five-month investigation to ensure it has reflected an accurate financial picture. Should the divestiture be approved by the commission, AMR would spin off the regional to existing shareholders to become a publicly traded company.

The union has already filed a grievance on the potential transfer and has already presented its case to an arbitrator. However, it is basing any agreement on gaining a “long-term Air Services Agreement with legitimate guarantees to provide feed for AA and, thereby, the job security”.​
 
My prediction...

All Eagle organized labor groups take massive concessions to try and save the airline. Once costs are in line Jerry Atkin swoops in.
 
Hopefully those guys will flow through before it all hits the fan. Wishful thinking, but I hate to see guys on the street---regardless of the airline.
 
Wow, the MEC working with management to give management what they want happens at other companies too...who knew!?
 
Is the Eagle's nest going to be dismantled? Only time will tell. I was there when Atlantic Coast Airlines/Independance Air's employees were told that we were going out of business. It was a sad day for alot of employess, especially those who were with ACA from the start.
 
And how much is USAIRWAYS Flying the 190's for? Top out pay of 95 an hour... yeah they are holding the bar really high.. How about we thank American for allowing regional jets to be flown at the regional airline level effectively screwing over the last 25 years of pilots? Those planes should have been flown from the beginning at a Mainline operator... And yes I am a regional pilot..

You can thank every other regional who lowers the bar for this.
 
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Nothing like good news to help on time performance.
 
Eagle's problems are a cummulation of several things

- Last big player to the RJ game
- 250+ fleet with 50 seats or less and high fuel
- Costs in longevity from no upward movement

I know some will flame me here, but AE needs more 700s to make an attempt at being viable. At the same time mainline AA needs a 100-125 seater to fill in the gap between the 700 and MD-80/738. They are already taking 738, why not add the 73G as well?
 
And how much is USAIRWAYS Flying the 190's for? Top out pay of 95 an hour... yeah they are holding the bar really high.. How about we thank American for allowing regional jets to be flown at the regional airline level effectively screwing over the last 25 years of pilots? Those planes should have been flown from the beginning at a Mainline operator... And yes I am a regional pilot..

Well not to defend their rates, but they have been through bankruptcy twice and had 0 leverage. Other regionals fly them for much less money. And dont tell me that they top out higher, because nobody on that list has been there that long. It could top out at a million bucks an hour and it wouldn't matter.

But you're right, scope has been the problem since day one. Airways has 9 different Express carriers, and Parker made it clear last month that they play them off each other to lower costs.
 
Well not to defend their rates, but they have been through bankruptcy twice and had 0 leverage. Other regionals fly them for much less money. And dont tell me that they top out higher, because nobody on that list has been there that long. It could top out at a million bucks an hour and it wouldn't matter.

But you're right, scope has been the problem since day one. Airways has 9 different Express carriers, and Parker made it clear last month that they play them off each other to lower costs.

Even if Airways paid exactly the same as a crappy regional flying the E-Jet, it would still be the better job because you're also getting seniority at the same time at an airline that counts. This is the reason scope is more critical than pay up to a point. Think about how much better your career would be if you started gaining seniority at a mainline airline when you first stepped foot on a jet instead of wasting 10 years of your life just to get your foot in the door.
 
Think about how much better your career would be if you started gaining seniority at a mainline airline when you first stepped foot on a jet instead of wasting 10 years of your life just to get your foot in the door.

winner winner chicken dinner
 
...you mean like a 16 year "average pay" contract?

Calling it an "average pay contract" is a little overly simplistic. Remember, even if the average across the industry only increased by 0.1% for the year, the EGL contract still provided for a minimum 1.5% increase. So, even in a year where pay is stagnant across the industry, the EGL guys still got a raise. Looking at their current rates, they're doing well compared to their peers, despite the 16-year contract that so many pilots criticized.
 
Scope

Back in 2002 mesa got their scope clause that protected not only their jobs but many other carrieres. Their Scope prevented mesa from purchasing airways at the time, and it prevented the hostile takeover of ACA. Mesa pilots were and still are bashed because of their 2002 contract. They payed dearly for the scope... Why cant United, continental, Delta, Airways, American grow a set and do what is right for the industry just like Mesa pilots did in 2002... Get a scope clause that is worth anything? The 190 rates at Easties Airways is downright pathetic. And you are wrong about top out pay at mesa... there are over 150 pilots who have been at mesa for 20 plus years...BUT.... again the REAL problem is mainline and whatever union is representing them allowing the RJ's to be flown at a regional. NOBODY wants to fly RJ's for a Regional, its just the only thing left since they were given to the regionals so the super senior guys at mainline could fly their 777's and A330's and screw the rest of us along with the junior pilots at their own companies... AMR giving up the right to fly Regionals because they were above flying such a small piece of equipment 25 years ago... Way to look ahead! :puke:All pilots need to stop worrying about whats best for their paycheck ( right now) and look at whats best for their collective careers ( 5-10 years from right now) and stop pissing in each others wheaties... Managment is laughing all the way to the bank.. Take a good look at East vs West Usairways/Cactus.... Cactus pilots are making about 20,000 a year more than the east. Do the math... The east pilots have taken it in the shorts on pay because they took their toys out of the sand box after the arbitrator ruled against their wishes (BINDING ARBITRATION)and they went and did what they thought would be best for them... (by starting a underfunded in house union) I dont think it worked out the way they expected or wanted it too.. Ill step off of my soapbox now... General you have any comments?

Well not to defend their rates, but they have been through bankruptcy twice and had 0 leverage. Other regionals fly them for much less money. And dont tell me that they top out higher, because nobody on that list has been there that long. It could top out at a million bucks an hour and it wouldn't matter.

But you're right, scope has been the problem since day one. Airways has 9 different Express carriers, and Parker made it clear last month that they play them off each other to lower costs.
 
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I believe that if you look at all the facts, the Cactus pilots are getting paid a premium as a bonus for getting stuck having to deal with the East pilots.
 
Odd.... A friend of mine is over there and never got this email from alpa.
 
I don't know much about eagle but if the authors information on eagle is as good as his information on coex then I would not pay any attention to what the story says.
 

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