Eagle CRJ Lines

[CRJ_Driver]

What are the CRJ lines at Eagle like out of ORD?

With a 25 aircraft fleet, I'd assume a new-hire would have better QOL on the ERJ, but looking for what life is like in the CRJ.

Hypothetically speaking, if I requested ORD and then was offered ERJ or CRJ and chose the CRJ...what would I be getting myself into? I would be a commuter from the east coast.

Many thanks!

 

[CitationLover]

What are the CRJ lines at Eagle like out of ORD?

With a 25 aircraft fleet, I'd assume a new-hire would have better QOL on the ERJ, but looking for what life is like in the CRJ.

Hypothetically speaking, if I requested ORD and then was offered ERJ or CRJ and chose the CRJ...what would I be getting myself into? I would be a commuter from the east coast.

Many thanks!

they suck and are getting suckier. they are shifting more a/c to DFW and we are down to 8, i believe. the people are great, but the sequences really suck. we goto (from ORD):

CLE, YHZ, CMH, XNA, LIT, BNA, COS, OMA, ICT, OKC, TUL, NAS, IND, DTW, ATL, FPO, MEM

from XNA you will connect to DFW or LAX.

a typical sequence:

FR 4321 ORD-CMH 1520 1730 110 35 CR7
FR 4322 CMH-ORD 1805 1830 125 225 CR7
FR 4035 ORD-XNA 2055 2230 135 CR7 410 0 410 0 810 XNA 1810
D-END: 2245L (NR 900) REPT: 1655L
SA 3580 XNA-DFW 1740 1850 110 110 CR7
SA 3615 DFW-CLE 2000 2330 230 CR7 340 0 340 0 550 CLE 1705
D-END: 2345L (NR 900) REPT: 1650L
SU 4209 CLE-ORD 1735 1800 125 40 CR7
SU 4423 ORD-COS 1840 2010 230 CR7 355 0 355 0 535 COS 1020
D-END: 2025L (RR 900) REPT: 0645L
MO 4110 COS-ORD 0730 1050 220 50 CR7
MO 4125 ORD-BNA 1140 1300 120 30 CR7
MO 4484 BNA-ORD 1330 1459 129 211 CR7
MO 4362 ORD-DTW 1710 1930 120 30 CR7
MO 4458 DTW-ORD 2000 2015 115 CR7 744 0 744 0 1245
D-END: 2030L (CR 1200) --------------------------------------
TOTALS BLOCK 1929 T.A.F.B. 7755 CR7>19:29

one of the newer suckier ones...
TU 4321 ORD-CMH 1520 1735 115 30 CR7
TU 4322 CMH-ORD 1805 1830 125 215 CR7
TU 4214 ORD-IND 2045 2240 55 CR7 335 0 335 0 720 IND 1025
D-END: 2255L (NR 900) REPT: 0920L
WE 4031 IND-ORD 1005 1010 105 125 CR7
WE 4349 ORD-CMH 1135 1340 105 30 CR7
WE 4113 CMH-ORD 1410 1430 120 50 CR7
WE 4321 ORD-CMH 1520 1735 115 30 CR7
WE 4322 CMH-ORD 1805 1830 125 215 CR7
WE 4214 ORD-IND 2045 2240 55 CR7 705 0 705 0 1335 IND 1025
D-END: 2255L (NR 900) REPT: 0920L
TH 4031 IND-ORD 1005 1010 105 125 CR7
TH 4349 ORD-CMH 1135 1340 105 30 CR7
TH 4113 CMH-ORD 1410 1430 120 50 CR7
TH 4321 ORD-CMH 1520 1735 115 30 CR7
TH 4322 CMH-ORD 1805 1830 125 215 CR7
TH 4214 ORD-IND 2045 2240 55 CR7 705 0 705 0 1335 IND 1025
D-END: 2255L (NR 900) REPT: 0920L
FR 4031 IND-ORD 1005 1010 105 125 CR7
FR 4349 ORD-CMH 1135 1340 105 30 CR7
FR 4113 CMH-ORD 1410 1430 120 CR7 330 0 330 0 625
D-END: 1445L --------------------------------------
TOTALS BLOCK 2115 T.A.F.B. 7210 CR7>21:15

 

[Swaayze]

If you live in the NE why wouldn't you choose BOS or LGA?

Just curious.

 

[n757st]

they suck and are getting suckier. they are shifting more a/c to DFW and we are down to 8, i believe. the people are great, but the sequences really suck. we goto (from ORD):

CLE, YHZ, CMH, XNA, LIT, BNA, COS, OMA, ICT, OKC, TUL, NAS, IND, DTW, ATL, FPO, MEM

from XNA you will connect to DFW or LAX.

a typical sequence:

FR 4321 ORD-CMH 1520 1730 110 35 CR7
FR 4322 CMH-ORD 1805 1830 125 225 CR7
FR 4035 ORD-XNA 2055 2230 135 CR7 410 0 410 0 810 XNA 1810
D-END: 2245L (NR 900) REPT: 1655L
SA 3580 XNA-DFW 1740 1850 110 110 CR7
SA 3615 DFW-CLE 2000 2330 230 CR7 340 0 340 0 550 CLE 1705
D-END: 2345L (NR 900) REPT: 1650L
SU 4209 CLE-ORD 1735 1800 125 40 CR7
SU 4423 ORD-COS 1840 2010 230 CR7 355 0 355 0 535 COS 1020
D-END: 2025L (RR 900) REPT: 0645L
MO 4110 COS-ORD 0730 1050 220 50 CR7
MO 4125 ORD-BNA 1140 1300 120 30 CR7
MO 4484 BNA-ORD 1330 1459 129 211 CR7
MO 4362 ORD-DTW 1710 1930 120 30 CR7
MO 4458 DTW-ORD 2000 2015 115 CR7 744 0 744 0 1245
D-END: 2030L (CR 1200) --------------------------------------
TOTALS BLOCK 1929 T.A.F.B. 7755 CR7>19:29

one of the newer suckier ones...
TU 4321 ORD-CMH 1520 1735 115 30 CR7
TU 4322 CMH-ORD 1805 1830 125 215 CR7
TU 4214 ORD-IND 2045 2240 55 CR7 335 0 335 0 720 IND 1025
D-END: 2255L (NR 900) REPT: 0920L
WE 4031 IND-ORD 1005 1010 105 125 CR7
WE 4349 ORD-CMH 1135 1340 105 30 CR7
WE 4113 CMH-ORD 1410 1430 120 50 CR7
WE 4321 ORD-CMH 1520 1735 115 30 CR7
WE 4322 CMH-ORD 1805 1830 125 215 CR7
WE 4214 ORD-IND 2045 2240 55 CR7 705 0 705 0 1335 IND 1025
D-END: 2255L (NR 900) REPT: 0920L
TH 4031 IND-ORD 1005 1010 105 125 CR7
TH 4349 ORD-CMH 1135 1340 105 30 CR7
TH 4113 CMH-ORD 1410 1430 120 50 CR7
TH 4321 ORD-CMH 1520 1735 115 30 CR7
TH 4322 CMH-ORD 1805 1830 125 215 CR7
TH 4214 ORD-IND 2045 2240 55 CR7 705 0 705 0 1335 IND 1025
D-END: 2255L (NR 900) REPT: 0920L
FR 4031 IND-ORD 1005 1010 105 125 CR7
FR 4349 ORD-CMH 1135 1340 105 30 CR7
FR 4113 CMH-ORD 1410 1430 120 CR7 330 0 330 0 625
D-END: 1445L --------------------------------------
TOTALS BLOCK 2115 T.A.F.B. 7210 CR7>21:15

WOW!!! 1520 start and 1430 end.... you sure have it rough.... We at AWAC would KILL for those schedules.

 

[CitationLover]

WOW!!! 1520 start and 1430 end.... you sure have it rough.... We at AWAC would KILL for those schedules.

they still suck. you would simply kill for sucky schedules. for example: our COS overnight is almost always a reduced rest overnight (a direct violation of the whitlow letter).

 

[masedogg19]

WOW!!! 1520 start and 1430 end.... you sure have it rough.... We at AWAC would KILL for those schedules.

That's the first thing I thought when I saw that too.....I would spend my entire trip going through CMH for that

 

[masedogg19]

Hey KITT, post some of our lines on here....then they can see what truly sucky schedules look like.....show them the 17 credit hour.....uncommutable on both end, 4 day trips......make sure it has a 26 hour sit somewhere too

 

[CitationLover]

That's the first thing I thought when I saw that too.....I would spend my entire trip going through CMH for that

come to eagle then if you like it so much. they were much better before. now they suck.

 

[BoilerUP]

Here is an example of one of our winners...please note the 2 leg Day 3 and the 6 leg Day 4. Also, please elaborate on how that Eagle 700 trip "sucks" and how they used to be "much better before".

TU 4019 DCA-DAY 0708 0830 122 30 CRJ -- -- -- -- -- --
TU 4080 DAY-PHL 0900 1032 132 48 CRJ
TU 3874 PHL-YUL 1120 1254 134 CRJ 428 0 428 646 1636
D-END: 1309L REPT: 0545L
WE CUS YUL-YUL 0545 0546 44
WE 4015 YUL-PHL 0630 0808 138 117 CRJ
WE 3984 PHL-CLE 0925 1051 126 40 CRJ
WE 3984 CLE-PHL 1131 1255 124 155 CRJ
WE 3965 PHL-CRW 1450 1605 115 CRJ 543 15 558 1035 1415
D-END: 1620L REPT: 0635L
TH 3996 CRW-PHL 0720 0841 121 244 CRJ
TH 3907 PHL-STL 1125 1248 223 CRJ 344 0 344 728 1732
D-END: 1303L REPT: 0635L
FR 3696 STL-PHL 0720 1031 211 34 CRJ
FR 3611 PHL-DCA 1105 1157 52 30 CRJ
FR 3914 DCA-ALB 1227 1337 110 30 CRJ
FR 3711 ALB-DCA 1407 1524 117 124 CRJ
FR 3961 DCA-GSO 1648 1747 59 103 CRJ
FR 3780 GSO-DCA 1850 1952 102 CRJ 731 0 731 1232
D-END: 2007L -----------------------
TOTALS BLOCK 2126 DHD 0 LDGS: 15 CREDIT 2141 T.A.F.B. 8544

 

[The Drizzle]

sure beats the 9 hour 4 day that S5 had a month or two back

 

[SkyNation]

Here is an example of one of our winners...please note the 2 leg Day 3 and the 6 leg Day 4.

I thought ALPA 'protected' you from stuff like that ;-)

I guarantee if a SKYW pilot posted this, a bunch of renobs here would scream 'that's why you need ALPA!'

...sorry, couldn't resist

 

[masedogg19]

come to eagle then if you like it so much. they were much better before. now they suck.

Thanks but no thanks.

 

[masedogg19]

sure beats the 9 hour 4 day that S5 had a month or two back

I would love to see what that one looked like.

 

[BoilerUP]

I thought ALPA 'protected' you from stuff like that ;-)

I guarantee if a SKYW pilot posted this, a bunch of renobs here would scream 'that's why you need ALPA!'

...sorry, couldn't resist

Unfortunately for us, that paring and many like them are built within the confines of the CBA. ARW ALPA has had volunteers tweak the parings and lines to improve productivity and commutability but ATW has said repeatedly those changes would be "too expensive". Evidently attrition, increased sick calls, and destroyed morale within the pilot group is cheaper.

Anybody that says ALPA would "protect" anybody from their company building crappy schedules is either naive or not being completely honest. If it ain't in the CBA, and the company doesn't feel like being benovelent, you ain't getting it. All things considered, I'd rather rely on negotiated criteria than the company's charity. Just something else to work on the next go-round...

 

[flyboyzz1]

so for a guy that just got stuck on the CRJ.... is life as bad as many make it out to be here at eagle? Missed the EMB by 2 spots!

 

[SkyNation]

Anybody that says ALPA would "protect" anybody from their company building crappy schedules is either naive or not being completely honest. If it ain't in the CBA, and the company doesn't feel like being benovelent, you ain't getting it.

understood.

It's just funny to me because anytime anything 'bad' happens here at SKYW the usual flag-wavers love to proclaim 'that is why we need ALPA here NOW!'

ALPA is just another way of asking/bargaining for things from management. what matters most is what you end up with in the end in terms of pay, QOL, company strength, schedules, and on and on. how you ask for it or whom you pay to ask on your behalf, it seems, is not as important as the results you are able to obtain, be it through ALPA, SAPA, the National Organization for Left-Handed Yo-Yo Artists, or whomever.

 

[CitationLover]

so for a guy that just got stuck on the CRJ.... is life as bad as many make it out to be here at eagle? Missed the EMB by 2 spots!

the EMB is no better, their schedules suck as bad too. getting "stuck" on the CRJ isn't so bad. the schedules certainly do suck, but the crews and the plane is very nice (when it works). the smaller fleets usually mean a quieter time on reserve when adequately staffed (hahahaha like thats going to happen).

what you fail to realize is the short staffing and junior man that comes at the end of the trip. don't you guys at AWAC have daily rigs and trip rigs that will cover the 2 leg days? we've got them too:

SA 4211 ORD-IND 0740 0935 55 CR7 55 0 55 0 155 IND 1925
D-END: 0950L (NR 900) REPT: 0515L
SU 4343 IND-ORD 0600 0555 55 55 CR7
SU 4342 ORD-CMH 0650 0900 110 30 CR7
SU 4160 CMH-ORD 0930 0945 115 200 CR7
SU 4426 ORD-MEM 1145 1320 135 30 CR7
SU 4460 MEM-ORD 1350 1535 145 CR7 640 0 640 0 1135
D-END: 1550L --------------------------------------
TOTALS BLOCK 735 T.A.F.B. 3255 CR7> 7:35

woohoo 19:25 at the airport hotel in IND (thank god they changed this starting this month to a downtown hotel).

here's a winner:
1 4078 ORD-BNA 0915 1035 120 30 CR7
1 4290 BNA-ORD 1105 1235 130 45 CR7
1 4037 ORD-LIT 1320 1505 145 30 CR7
1 4283 LIT-ORD 1535 1720 145 300 CR7
1 4109 ORD-CLE 2020 2230 110 CR7 730 0 730 0 1315 CLE 1805
D-END: 2245L (NR 900) REPT: 1650L
2 4209 CLE-ORD 1735 1800 125 40 CR7
2 4423 ORD-COS 1840 2010 230 CR7 355 0 355 0 535 COS 1020
D-END: 2025L (RR 900) REPT: 0645L
3 4110 COS-ORD 0730 1050 220 50 CR7
3 4125 ORD-BNA 1140 1300 120 30 CR7
3 4484 BNA-ORD 1330 1459 129 211 CR7
3 4362 ORD-DTW 1710 1930 120 30 CR7
3 4458 DTW-ORD 2000 2015 115 CR7 744 0 744 0 1245
D-END: 2030L (CR 1200) --------------------------------------
TOTALS BLOCK 1909 T.A.F.B. 6000 CR7>19:09

COS will be delayed into a min rest overnight. I also love the 3:00 sit in day one and 2:11 sit on the last day.

one of the few good ones:
FR 4037 ORD-LIT 1330 1515 145 30 CR7
FR 4283 LIT-ORD 1545 1735 150 50 CR7
FR 4074 ORD-XNA 1825 2010 145 CR7 520 0 520 0 740 XNA 1330
D-END: 2025L (NR 1000) REPT: 0955L TO BE ANNOUNCED (000) 000-0000
SA 3118 XNA-LAX 1040 1205 325 55 CR7
SA 3119 LAX-XNA 1300 1805 305 CR7 630 0 630 0 825 XNA 1100
D-END: 1820L (NR 1000) REPT: 0520L TO BE ANNOUNCED (000) 000-0000
SU 4038 XNA-ORD 0605 0740 135 310 CR7
SU 4477 ORD-YHZ 1050 1550 300 40 CR7
SU 4478 YHZ-ORD 1630 1745 315 CR7 750 0 750 0 1255
D-END: 1815L --------------------------------------
TOTALS BLOCK 1940 T.A.F.B. 5330 CR7>19:40

here's your two leg day:
SA 4342 ORD-CMH 0650 0900 110 30 CR7
SA 4160 CMH-ORD 0930 0950 120 50 CR7
SA 4452 ORD-DTW 1040 1250 110 30 CR7
SA 4506 DTW-ORD 1320 1330 110 125 CR7
SA 3975 ORD-OKC 1455 1700 205 CR7 655 0 655 0 1110 OKC 1200
D-END: 1715L (NR 900) REPT: 0515L
SU 4101 OKC-ORD 0600 0800 200 240 CR7
SU 4452 ORD-DTW 1040 1250 110 30 CR7
SU 4506 DTW-ORD 1320 1330 110 120 CR7
SU 3974 ORD-CLE 1450 1705 115 CR7 535 0 535 0 1105 CLE 1240
D-END: 1720L (NR 900) REPT: 0600L
MO 4382 CLE-ORD 0645 0700 115 40 CR7
MO 4211 ORD-IND 0740 0935 55 CR7 210 0 210 0 350 IND 1925
D-END: 0950L (NR 900) REPT: 0515L
TU 4343 IND-ORD 0600 0600 100 50 CR7
TU 4342 ORD-CMH 0650 0900 110 30 CR7
TU 4160 CMH-ORD 0930 0950 120 155 CR7
TU 4125 ORD-BNA 1145 1300 115 30 CR7
TU 4484 BNA-ORD 1330 1459 129 CR7 614 0 614 0 1059
D-END: 1514L --------------------------------------
TOTALS BLOCK 2054 T.A.F.B. 8109 CR7>20:54

 

[CaptainChris77]

I think no matter what regional you're at... the schedules suck. Some more than others, but none the less... they all are pretty bad!

 

[masedogg19]

We are covered here at AWAC for the short days....min day of 3 hours (that can be waived under certain circumstances).....I think the thing we were looking at the most was the fact that your trips were actually commutable.....we just don't have trips that are built like that.....I think Boiler said it, but we had people build much nicer schedules, but when they showed them to the company they decided they would cost too much....even though we would all have been used much more efficiently...no more 3.5 hour sits at the airport, 27 hour overnights.....they actually told us it was cheaper for us to sit around (either at the airport or hotel) then have us flying and being more efficient

 

[CitationLover]

I think no matter what regional you're at... the schedules suck. Some more than others, but none the less... they all are pretty bad!

amen brutha!

sorry to hear about the AWAC schedules. is it mostly a PHL thing or do the ORF schedules suck too?