Eagle Contract question

[trainer8]

At MDA, we are using the Eagle Contract for pay/compensation. This issue has arisen regarding Reserve line holders minimum day and monthly gaurantee. Any AE pilots with knowlege of your Section 3 CBA...

Section 3 says Min day of 3:75 hours. If you fly three 4-day trips, each trip worth 25 hours of flying totaling 75 hours and then have 1 reserve day left (3.75 hours), but don't fly on that reserve day, do you get the 75 + 3.75 for 78.75 or only the monthly gaurentee?

In other words, does the company pay block plus min day or only actual flying in excess of 75 hours?

Thanks for the input

T8

 

[labbats]

Only actual flying.

 

[FHTEAGLE]

Information pipeline...

I'll PM you what I can from sec 3. If you need I'll hit you up with contact info from EGL 83 union rep for additional assistance.

 

[trainer8]

Only actual flying.

Then why the 3:45 min day?

 

[CitationLover]

if you fly less than 3:45 on a reserve day i would imagine.

 

[LearLove]

I think it should be day by day.

Like in Jan I flew 12.5 hours. 6.0 on the 4th and 6.5 on the 24th. I'm straight res.

20 days reserve (30 day month) times 3.75 is 75. But the way I figure it I had 18 days on res that they didn't use me at 3.75 per day, that 3.75 times 18 is 67.5 hours. Plus the 12.5 for the 2 days I flew is 67.5+12.5=80 hours.

I'll put in for 80 just because I'm not too happy about being bumped to DCA. Now its gonna cost me atleast $200 per month (gas and tolls) and maybe as much as $500-600 if I need to get a crashpad and by food along with gas and tolls. That really stinks when you only bring home 1700 per month after taxes and 401K.

[36.12X75=2709, 15% for 401K = 406, 2709-406=2303 taxable, 2303X.25 (25% for taxes and med/dental)=576, 2303-576= $1727 takehome]

I wonder what the "big rumor" is on the yahoo site that "they" say is comming. Hopefully its a bid that puts me back in PHL where I belong.

 

[trainer8]

if you fly less than 3:45 on a reserve day i would imagine.

If that were the case, there would be incentive to pass the trip. Why come out if I can get paid more to sit? But, alas, perhaps you cannot pass the trip.

It seems to me that there is no incentive to do that. But, that is how the contract is/was negotiated.

So, you (all at eagle), your concensus and practice is straight 75 hours, unless your actual exceeds 75 hours? If so, bummer for me and for you.

(Sigh....)

T8

 

[CitationLover]

If that were the case, there would be incentive to pass the trip. Why come out if I can get paid more to sit? But, alas, perhaps you cannot pass the trip.

on reserve you are ASSIGNED a trip. there is no pass, however they can bid reserve trips at eagle the day before.

 

[Swaayze]

More importantly, did you go to the increased pay, 11 days off and increased 401k matching that were the gains in the latest round of negotiations?

What is the yahoo board for MAA, is it public?

 

[tk855]

At Eagle you would get paid the 75 hours plus the 3:45 if you didn't fly on the reserve day. All of our composite lines work this way. They have a mix of 2, 3, and 4 day trips along with a couple of reserve days here and there. In Nov. I bid one and had four days of reserve. I only flew on one of the four days, so for the other three I got my line guarantee plus 3:45 for each reserve day. Hope that answers your question.


tk

 

[TCAS]

At Eagle you would get paid the 75 hours plus the 3:45 if you didn't fly on the reserve day...

It doesn't work like that at Eagle on reserve, tk855.

At Eagle a reserve pilot is paid the greater of what they actually flew in the month or 75 hours. So if you flew 3 trips that were 25 hours each and then the last day of the month you were on reserve but just sat at home you'd only be credited for 75 hours in that month.

 

[tk855]

I see that I misunderstood the initial question. The key phrase is "reserve lineholding pilot" and I definitely agree that a reserve pilot would not get paid the 3:45. When the three 4-day trip scenario was thrown in, I assumed he was thinking lineholder. Sorry for the bad info.


tk

 

[trainer8]

The MAA yahoo site is not public. Sorry.

The confusion comes from USAir mixing two contracts. MAA uses the most of the Eagle contract for everything except scheduling. The language in Section 3 and 25 of the Eagle Contract meshes (as it should), including the Definitions section. MAA uses the Mainline USAir Section 25 language for reserves. Definitions, types of flying, types of reserve---thay have nothing to do with each other. There are only two types of reserve at U. No Composite lines, no Relief lines no regular lines. They have even gutted some of that language so that we can't utilize the full effect of U's Section 25. So, by putting the two different contracts together makes interpreting the whole thing a mess. We are trying to negotiate a new contract, but for now must muddle through this mess.

Thanks for the info. It is appreciated.

T8

I see that I misunderstood the initial question. The key phrase is "reserve lineholding pilot" and I definitely agree that a reserve pilot would not get paid the 3:45. When the three 4-day trip scenario was thrown in, I assumed he was thinking lineholder. Sorry for the bad info.


tk