DX JumpSeating TSA/company rules are just a Mess..Help

[XPOO]

I thought you were doing that to us around October anyways. So, back to jumpseating on other companies' aircraft....Remember to bribe not only the pilots but the nasty looking gate agents with chocolate. It's your only hope!

 

[flyjumpseat]

I'm looking at our Jumpseat Agreements list and it says:

NORTHWEST AIRLINES *NO DISPATCHERS*
UPS *NO DISPATCHERS*
US AIR *NO DISPATCHERS*

Red = CASS

Now, this is not the actual signed agreement paperwork I'm looking at, and I'm sure some gate agents and/or pilots will not specifically check. I'm just going by what the list says.

Anyone from Northwest, US Air, or UPS want to comment????
Anyone? Anyone?

 

[clr4theapch]

This just supports what I have been saying, the dispatchers are slowly being eliminated from flight prevledges, seems one airline at a time...The pilots agreements are so absorbed in there own fights to J/S that the Dxers are being left out...

What Pitty....As for me, well I do work for CO...as homer so nicely had to point out...sure you dont work part time for the TSA Homer? How is ASA these days? , Anyway my problem is the very full loads into and out of MCO or TPA the only way I can have any stability and guaranty a saet is to buy regular tickets in advance....Standyby just does not work in these city pairs....

 

[ss9e]

I'm looking at our Jumpseat Agreements list and it says:

NORTHWEST AIRLINES *NO DISPATCHERS*
UPS *NO DISPATCHERS*
US AIR *NO DISPATCHERS*

Red = CASS

Now, this is not the actual signed agreement paperwork I'm looking at, and I'm sure some gate agents and/or pilots will not specifically check. I'm just going by what the list says.

Anyone from Northwest, US Air, or UPS want to comment????
Anyone? Anyone?

what you are referencing applies to your airline. the agreements are different from airline to airline. i have jumpseated on NW within the last six months. i know 9e dispatchers who have jumpseated within the last week on NW.

 

[twabudman]

your airline has not included DX in the CASS system. But you written agreement should have included DX's

 

[flyjumpseat]

your airline has not included DX in the CASS system. But you written agreement should have included DX's

Sorry, guess again. I've used CASS on Horizon and Southwest. I, and many other dispatchers are in the CASS database because we turned in the required information. Others, who did not have a passport (or expired) have not been entered into the CASS database.

I was just saying, that a few years ago when I was going through all the recip agreement paperwork, NW's paper said NO DISPATCHERS. Not SkyWest's. And while I don't have the actual agreement paperwork with me, I look up our j/s list and it says NO DISPATCHERS.

Maybe they just had a problem with SkyWest's Dispatchers. I don't know.

 

[propsarebest]

NOpe, it's pretty much the same way outside the Northwest family.

 

[homerjdispatch]

as homer so nicely had to point out...sure you dont work part time for the TSA Homer? How is ASA these days? , Anyway my problem is the very full loads into and out of MCO or TPA the only way I can have any stability and guaranty a saet is to buy regular tickets in advance....Standyby just does not work in these city pairs....

Whats wrong RVSM, Did the boat sink?


Ummm I dont work for ASA....So I couldnt tell you....

Why did you say your airline doesnt fly to MCO? Im sure CO does fly into MCO. Oh well, you would know that better than me.

I hate inconsistent statements. If peoople want a truthful answer, they should be truthful in their questions?

Good day!

 

[clr4theapch]

Homer, you Ran off RVSM.....I believe he is doing just fine in his marine business...Of course CO flys to MCO...but I dont intend to post all the reasons for my earlier statement as my situation places me outside of the normal CO route structure.....getting into MCO as an OAL with the high loads is the basic problem I was referring to...

You can take statements and make them look anyway you want, implying one thing meaning another whatever...you really missed your calling as a super detective....you have a good day as well and say high to Scott.....

 

[propsarebest]

Homer IS a super detective... I have personally seen the inspector gaget trenchcoat that he keeps in a telephone booth... just in case...

 

[homerjdispatch]

Homer, you Ran off RVSM.....I believe he is doing just fine in his marine business...Of course CO flys to MCO...but I dont intend to post all the reasons for my earlier statement as my situation places me outside of the normal CO route structure.....getting into MCO as an OAL with the high loads is the basic problem I was referring to...

You can take statements and make them look anyway you want, implying one thing meaning another whatever...you really missed your calling as a super detective....you have a good day as well and say high to Scott.....

Who the hell is Scott??????

He must work at ASA. How many times do I have to tell you...I DO NOT WORK AT ASA!!!!!

 

[clr4theapch]

OOOoooo Little touchy.....hit a nerve..sorry

 

[homerjdispatch]

OOOoooo Little touchy.....hit a nerve..sorry

Whatever....

 

[XPOO]

He aspires to work there one day, though!

 

[homerjdispatch]

He aspires to work there one day, though!

Shhh, that was my little secret. But now that its out in the open, anyone have good contact info for ASA?

Last number I had was 1-800-sinking-ship!

 

[propsarebest]

or 1-800-lost-cause

or 1-800-sta-ple

 

[Morning Wood]

I think NW only lets dispatchers that have union representation jumpseat.
They have a list in their FOM of which airline's dispatchers can.

I also heard US was a union deal. We used to be treated like gold
on them when they where big in the West and so many of their
pilots flew on us between SAN and LAX. Not sure why they changed
the agreement.

American who knows what their deal is. I'm surprised they let their
own pilots sit in their jumpseats.

The one that I can't get a clear answer on are the US flights operated
by HP. Their agreement only allows OAL dispatchers in the back, even
if verified by CASS. Anyone else know the answer?

 

[ss9e]

I think NW only lets dispatchers that have union representation jumpseat.
They have a list in their FOM of which airline's dispatchers can.

if NW has a list in their FOM that states which dispatchers can jumpseat, it's not union related. as previously stated, i have jumpseated on NW within the last 6 months. we are not a union shop.

 

[iaflyer]

I think NW only lets dispatchers that have union representation jumpseat.

Not true. At my previous company, which was non-union across the board, the dispatchers had jumpseat privileges on Northwest. For a while it was only the pilots who could jumpseat on NW, but one of the dispatchers made some calls and found the right person to talk to at Northwest and they said, "eh, the pilots already have approval to jumpseat, no big deal to add dispatchers". A few weeks later, it was in the FOM.

And yes, there is a specific page in the FOM titled "Authorized Carriers - NWA/TWU Approved (Dispatchers)" that details the companies and whether they are approved for domestic or domestic and international jumpseats.

 

[Morning Wood]

Not true. At my previous company, which was non-union across the board, the dispatchers had jumpseat privileges on Northwest. For a while it was only the pilots who could jumpseat on NW, but one of the dispatchers made some calls and found the right person to talk to at Northwest and they said, "eh, the pilots already have approval to jumpseat, no big deal to add dispatchers". A few weeks later, it was in the FOM.

And yes, there is a specific page in the FOM titled "Authorized Carriers - NWA/TWU Approved (Dispatchers)" that details the companies and whether they are approved for domestic or domestic and international jumpseats.

I stand corrected. Years ago when we tried to approach it from that
same angle, that's what we were told. I'll have to do some digging
around. Since CASS started, maybe it's worth a shot to bug them again.

 

[rod guhzhinya]

I live in WI and commute to LGA weekly. I either take Midwest or United, both have been really good about giving me the jumpseat, well the crews have been great I should say, getting past the gate agents is the problem, most of the time I have to get the number to dispatch and talk to the dispatcher working the flight, then it works out great. Good luck