Duty / Rest times?

[BoDEAN]

Any easy way to keep track of how long you are legal for during a day of 121 flying? I've been told to add 16 hrs to the start of your duty time, and that is the time you can't go over....to be considered legal.

 

[AWACO]

Hey you gota decided what you are gona call max; contract or FAR legal...I like the contract max myself

 

[millhouse21]

I just let scheduling decide. After all, if it was illegal, they would let me know; that's what they do, right?

 

[sweptback]

The releases at ASA have a "crew must duty out by" time next to each name. It comes in handy, especially during times of compensatory rest or other odd situations like that.

If you're going to add 16 hours to your duty in time, remember that you must be free of all duty by that time... your flight must have blocked in 15 minutes before that (or whatever your duty out period is).

 

[Blade Runner]

Be careful, What about the 9 hour scheduled scenerio? reduced rest is 9 hours 24-9=15 hours is your max duty day and not 16. Also if you need comp rest this will impact your duty day as well. Bottom line every time you look back 24 hours you must see FAR legal rest.

 

[CFIse]

Any easy way to keep track of how long you are legal for during a day of 121 flying? I've been told to add 16 hrs to the start of your duty time, and that is the time you can't go over....to be considered legal.

It ain't easy. If you have the money (and as an FO who does) I HIGHLY recommend APDL (Airline Pilot Daily Logbook?) from the people who brought you Logbook Pro (NC Software?). I *THINK* you can just buy APDL without Logbook Pro and you can pick up a cheap PDA for $50 or so. So call it $150 for everything.

Watches duty time, flight time, required rest etc. It ROCKS (in my opinion). Makes the whole duty, rest, etc. issue much easier to handle.

But if you can't afford it or don't want it - ALPA has a number of documents on their Web site to help with figuring out duty time. Yes the duty on + 16 to find duty off works, but not if you previously had reduced rest etc. and other complexities. There is no simple formula. Just think about figuring out how many hours of flying you have scheduled in a 24 hour period to figure out how much rest you require and whether you're reduced or not? Used to make my head explode........

 

[BoDEAN]

It ain't easy. If you have the money (and as an FO who does) I HIGHLY recommend APDL (Airline Pilot Daily Logbook?) from the people who brought you Logbook Pro (NC Software?). I *THINK* you can just buy APDL without Logbook Pro and you can pick up a cheap PDA for $50 or so. So call it $150 for everything.

Watches duty time, flight time, required rest etc. It ROCKS (in my opinion). Makes the whole duty, rest, etc. issue much easier to handle.

But if you can't afford it or don't want it - ALPA has a number of documents on their Web site to help with figuring out duty time. Yes the duty on + 16 to find duty off works, but not if you previously had reduced rest etc. and other complexities. There is no simple formula. Just think about figuring out how many hours of flying you have scheduled in a 24 hour period to figure out how much rest you require and whether you're reduced or not? Used to make my head explode........

Just bought it.
Playing around with it now. What I am trying to understand is how DEADHEADING, WX Delays come into play with it. Also, there is a field for duty on time, and duty off time. Do you put those in prior to starting your trip (since they are printed on your schedule) or do you put them in as the day progresses?

 

[CFIse]

Just bought it.
Playing around with it now. What I am trying to understand is how DEADHEADING, WX Delays come into play with it. Also, there is a field for duty on time, and duty off time. Do you put those in prior to starting your trip (since they are printed on your schedule) or do you put them in as the day progresses?

You can setup various parameters so it knows how to calculate pay etc. for things like deadheading and you can tell it that deadheading is duty but not flight. You can log what kind of delay it is, which I do just in case anybody ever comes back and asks.

You would put in your duty times when they are assigned. You can either download or use the Web schedule importer to import into APDL your schedule from whatever bizarre system your airline uses (there are lots of custom options, turns out the Generic version works for me). That will load up everything, deadheads, duty on and off, hotels etc.

Hope that helps.

 

[CitationLover]

bodean,

forget 16 hours (it is a byproduct of the FAR's). when your scheduled to duty off then look back (or it might still be forward of today if this is a future schedule) 24 hours. you need at least 8 consecutive hours of "rest" somewhere in that 24 hour period. if you're legal there go to next step.

now consider how much "rest" you had before that one as you may be due compensatory rest. your "rest" should reflect any compensatory rest (up to 12 hours in some cases). that's it.

go on your ALPA LEC website bodean. goto the ALPA Pubs link and click on the ALPA Guide to Flight Time Limitations and download that. read it thoroughly and it will answer all your questions. this is the best document ALPA has ever made.