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Duane Woerth's Message to the Board of Directors.

This is Duane Woerth with a message to the Board of
Directors on Sunday, January 23.



Late last week, most of the passenger airlines-once
again-reported staggering losses. Several decided that
the last quarter of 2004 was also a particularly good
time to take extraordinary one-time charges, such as
Delta's decision to write down significantly the book
valuation of wholly owned subsidiaries Comair and
Atlantic Southeast. But at the end of the day, the
story for 2004 seemed to be fuel costs. Northwest and
American, for example, each claimed that they would
have made about $300 million for the year had fuel
prices stayed the same as 2003. Other airlines made
similar claims. Even Southwest, which made $56 million
last quarter because of 85 percent of its fuel is
still hedged at $26.00 a barrel-even Southwest without
that hedge would have lost about $110 million in the
fourth quarter, too.



Well-fuel prices did not remain at 2003 levels, and,
unlike every other industry in the world, the airline
industry seems to be the only industry that can't seem
to pass on fuel prices to its consumers. Every other
form of transportation--not just air cargo but the
taxicabs, bus companies . . . incredibly every single
industry that delivers any kind of product, from food
to raw materials to finished goods of every kind--are
passing on increases in fuel prices. Construction
companies that routinely add a fuel surcharge to
deliver their construction materials to a job site-now
there is lots of competition in the construction
business, but that doesn't stop them from passing on
fuel prices as well as the increases in the price of
the lumber, plywood, or bricks. They don't say that
they have no pricing power just because there is
competition.



After a steady diet of deep concessions for the last
three years, airline workers, airline shareholders,
and airline creditors have every right to no longer
salute passively as airline managements continue to
lower prices to World War II levels in 2005 and simply
use the lame excuse that they just can't help
themselves. Network carriers like to blame,
exclusively, LCCs, which now represent about 30
percent of the market, for their pricing problems.
However, the largest LCC--Southwest--serves only 60 of
the nation's 429 airports. JetBlue and other LCCs
serve even fewer. Can network carriers that still
control 70 percent of the total capacity of the
domestic market and nearly 100 percent of the small to
medium-size cities-over 300 of those cities-continue
to blame LCCs for everything? Perhaps all the capacity
increases--the senseless Internet wholesaling by
massive amounts of total capacity and the below-cost
price-cutting experiments--are causing more
self-inflicted damage than the LCCs. Could that be
possible? Southwest doesn't use Internet wholesalers.
Southwest did not surrender control of its
distribution systems, and hence, Southwest still
controls the price of its tickets. And all of you know
that Southwest is more expensive in many cities than
our network carriers are today.



It is time to hold management accountable for their
abysmal revenue performance. In terms of bankruptcies,
the sagas of United and US Airways are given massive
media exposure. However, the bankruptcies of Hawaiian,
Aloha, ATA, and Polar and Atlas are also causing
particular damage to our industry in terms of the
piloting profession. They are also giving clear
evidence of how the bankruptcy process has changed.
The bankruptcy process used to focus on restructuring
debt. Now it focuses primarily on using 1113 to hammer
labor, sometimes exclusively. Incredibly, at
Hawaiian--with the exception of Boeing and Ansett--all
of the creditors and vendors are to receive 100
percent of everything owed to them--no haircuts at
all, not even a tiny trim--100 percent of everything
owed. However, Hawaiian's management is using 1113 to
gouge the pilots simply because the law says they can
try. Aloha says they have to do the same thing because
Hawaiian is. This is becoming all too familiar.
American's Trans Air pilots are still reeling from
their abrupt fragmentation, where there is plenty of
money for DIP loans, lots of money for the gates at
Midway, lots of money for the aircraft
leaseholders--just no money for the pilots.



On the pension side-on pension legislation-months of
intense efforts to consolidate an airline coalition to
propose long-term, meaningful pension solutions is
coming to a boil. I am pushing all affected parties to
resolve their few remaining differences of opinions
and priorities so that we can get a new bill and sign
up cosponsors and launch this new bill in the Senate
ASAP. On February 3, I am speaking to a special
pension forum hosted by the Government Accountability
Office, where I hope we can stir up considerable
support for our bill--a pragmatic approach that will
save pensions and prevent the avalanche of terminated
plans winding up on the PBGC's doorstep.
 
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Sounds like it may be time to hike up dues. I think Duane might have to start staying in Budget hotels without his enormous expense account.
 
Sure is a lot more reassuring to hear some realism about the piloting profession's dire straights, and an actual call to arms, rather than the standard "look how great we're doing" tripe in his monthly page-o-propaganda.
 
Woerthless and ALPA STILL don't have a response to the airlines using 1113.

ALPA's advice to the TWA MEC when confronted with 1113 was surrender. Now, the ONLY chance to halt its use to to use ALPA's political clout to push though legislation. Right, ALPA will outspend the Airline Transport Assn. :rolleyes:

I realize that an airline has to be in Ch. 11 to use the provisions of Sec. 1113 but the trickle-down effect affects all airlines because of the "we must compete" mantra.

Unless all pilot groups band together to stop this misuse of the bankruptcy code, our compensation is doomed to continue a free fall.

I have no faith that this will happen. Just as AA, UAL and DAL failed to act when the pilot groups at Continental, TWA and Eastern were being ravaged, SWA, JB, FEX, UPS and others who are doing well now will not jeapordize their situations to try to alter the course the profession is on.

At least we can all rest easy knowing that Duane is still making over $400k a year.TC
 
AA717driver said:
At least we can all rest easy knowing that Duane is still making over $400k a year.TC

He is just as removed from the "masses" as most airline CEO's and his pay is just wrong given what most regional pilots are paid. His ALPA pay should be the median average of the lowest paid regional F/O's.

HMM
 
How about ALPA using our dues to inform the public instead of trying to raise retirement age. Preserve the profession first then go after extras, I get these darn age 60 bullitens every other day from national how about getting your bald butt on TV and talking up the real issues.

Rant over-if I offended any older guys whoove lost there pensions I am truly sorry.

Jobear
 
Dennis Miller said:
...the
story for 2004 seemed to be fuel costs. Northwest and
American, for example, each claimed that they would
have made about $300 million for the year had fuel
prices stayed the same as 2003. Other airlines made
similar claims. Even Southwest, which made $56 million
last quarter because of 85 percent of its fuel is
still hedged at $26.00 a barrel-even Southwest without
that hedge would have lost about $110 million in the
fourth quarter, too.



Well-fuel prices did not remain at 2003 levels, and,
unlike every other industry in the world, the airline
industry seems to be the only industry that can't seem
to pass on fuel prices to its consumers.
.


I dunno, Duane-If fuel is such a big problem, then why does ALPA PAC continue to endorse and contribute to campaigns of Left-side politicians that are opposed to the U.S. farming it's own oil supplies in Alaska, the western, off-shore, and southern United States?

If you allow the U.S. companies to drill for some of the U.S. oil, you have an increase in competition, and a decrease in barrel price.
 
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Spinn555 said:
I dunno, Duane-If fuel is such a big problem, then why does ALPA PAC continue to endorse and contribute to campaigns of Left-side politicians that are opposed to the U.S. farming it's own oil supplies in Alaska, the western, off-shore, and southern United States?

If you allow the U.S. companies to drill for some of the U.S. oil, you have an increase in competition, and a decrease in barrel price.

Totally unnecessary and lame political aside:

USGS report indicates an approx 10.4 to 7.7 billion barrels "technically recoverable" to be processed in ANWR:

Assessment Results

The total quantity of technically recoverable oil within the entire assessment area is estimated to be between 5.7 and 16.0 billion barrels (95-percent and 5-percent probability range), with a mean value of 10.4 billion barrels. Technically recoverable oil within the ANWR 1002 area (excluding State and Native areas) is estimated to be between 4.3 and 11.8 billion barrels (95- and 5-percent probability range), with a mean value of 7.7 billion barrels (table 1).

OPEC has recently agreed to keep production at 27 million BPD:

Opec producers meeting in Vienna have agreed to keep oil output levels unchanged at 27 million barrels a day.

Doing the math, ANWR could produce enough petroleum to match OPEC's output for approx one year:

27,000,000,000
365 ×
-------
9,855,000,000,000

In other words, not much competition, and not much of a solution to our problem here...
 
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Rogue5 said:
The total quantity of technically recoverable oil within the entire assessment area is estimated to be between 5.7 and 16.0 billion barrels (95-percent and 5-percent probability range), with a mean value of 10.4 billion barrels. Technically recoverable oil within the ANWR 1002 area (excluding State and Native areas) is estimated to be between 4.3 and 11.8 billion barrels (95- and 5-percent probability range), with a mean value of 7.7 billion barrels (table 1).

OPEC has recently agreed to keep production at 27 million BPD:

Opec producers meeting in Vienna have agreed to keep oil output levels unchanged at 27 million barrels a day.

Doing the math, ANWR could produce enough petroleum to match OPEC's output for approx one year:

27,000,000,000
365 ×
-------
9,855,000,000,000

In other words, not much competition, and not much of a solution to our problem here...

Chief,

Check your math. 27 million is 27 followed by 6 zeros, not the nine you have up there. The number you have is 27 billion. So, taking three zeros off your final answer leaves you with 9,855,000,000 or 9.855 Billion. So, the numbers you have for the ANWR are about 12% less than OPEC's figure over the period of one year.

Considering the ANWR figures are total technically recoverable oil and the OPEC figures would be over the course of a year, I wouldn't know how to make an economic forecast on the impact of the ANWR oil on our prices at the pump or the fuel truck.
 
Du Wayne

Du Wayne is right. All these crazy fuel prices are putting his 400K+ money in jeopardy. But the more important question is :

Does Du Wayne prefer Palm Ade or Dapper Dan for his hair jelly ?
 
ACAFool said:
How much longer does SWA have their fuel hedged? Anyone know?

There was a post floating around here somewhere, try searching for it. At least I'm pretty sure it's on flight info and not some other board I may have read. Anyway, SWA's hedged for about the next five years or so, but in declining numbers. In other words, the largest percentage of their fuel hedged is this year, and the percentage of fuel hedged declines steadily until its last year where very little is hedged. Also, on an annual basis, IIRC, the hedge price also increases. These are off the top of my head, and I can't confirm the source, so if they're wrong, my apologies.
 
MoGambo said:
Does Du Wayne prefer Palm Ade or Dapper Dan for his hair jelly ?

Dammit, I don't want FOP, I'm a Dapper Dan Man!!

Ain't got no Dapper Dan, can order it for you, take two weeks.
 
smellthejeta said:
Check your math.

Whoops: My old teachers always told me I'd never amount to nuthin'.

I guess thats how they crashed one of those landers on the backside of Mars...
 
Rogue5 said:
Whoops: My old teachers always told me I'd never amount to nuthin'.

I guess thats how they crashed one of those landers on the backside of Mars...

Not to worry... I can't fly planes faster than 200 kts because my E6B only goes to 200 and I can't afford the electronic kind.
 
What scares me is that now while the economy is nearing midpoint of the upturn and this industry is still losing its @ss. What on earth is going to happen if we start to enter a downturn in the next 18-24 months? When LUV is only making money because of hedges and JB cause they are the new kid on the block, obviously the d@mn model is broken. I'm starting to believe the US market is tapped and provides little professional security in the future. I fear when things start turning downhill again the chickens are coming to roost.
 
"Doing the math, ANWR could produce enough petroleum to match OPEC's output for approx one year:

In other words, not much competition, and not much of a solution to our problem here"

Your figures are right, but believe they may point in he wrong direction. Yes, ANWR would only equal one year of OPEC, the combined output of all of OPEC. It would raise US oil production and while not self sufficient, it might just be the ticket to offset OPEC.

At present oil is trading on emotions, what will happen in the future, more terrorist attacks, Chinese demands, so on and so forth. While OPEC has revised their guidance for oil cost, some analyst predicts the "scare/emotion" increase in price at around $10 a barrel.

Plenty of countries around the world produces oil, some not members of OPEC. So if we pursue ANWR plus increase imports from non OPEC nations, we may be get to a point where OPEC will have to lower prices. After all, they are as dependent on us as we are on them, however, they are the ones holding the gun at the moment.

Further, to offset the oil imports, we need to have a national, sustained debate on the importance of a viable long term energy policy. Oil companies are already looking for other sources of power: Solar, wind, NG and Nuclear power. As a nation we should be too, instead of just feeding the oil monster.
 
MoGambo said:
Du Wayne is right. All these crazy fuel prices are putting his 400K+ money in jeopardy. But the more important question is :

Does Du Wayne prefer Palm Ade or Dapper Dan for his hair jelly ?

Actually, it's Pomade....Or in his case, Palm-Aid...

What does a man like him do to regain his self-respect??

How does he look at himself in the mirror while shaving??

When he gets his paycheck, does he back up to receive it, so he does not have to look anyone in the eyes??

Somebody needs to send him a copy of "Yertle the Turtle".
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the administration's fix to the airline industry would be to open it up to foreign airlines. If Ual, amr, etc can't make money then let Korean/Jal/EasyJet/etc fly point to point profitably within the U.S. I believe Bush has already come out in support of Cabotage and with their current overwhelming majority they might be able to push something like that through, or at least get the ball rolling. Some of these European LCC's require their pilots to pay for their own recurrent training. How's that for labor costs...
 

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