Dual Engine Flameout During ILS - IMC

[jetbluedog]

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20041213X01979&key=1

LAST WEEK!

Talk about SHARTING your pants!

 

[minitour]

Not exactly IMC but yeah both engines out...I'd be "punching a grumpy"

-mini

 

[HMR]

Hmmmm? Let's see... 507nm x-country (straight line), 1600lbs of fuel according to the gauges (that's an inside joke for KA pilots), depending on serial# the BE20 cruises between 250-280kts and burns 800lbs first hour/700lbs for the second hour.

The only thing I can't figure out is how he made it that far before he crashed?

 

[VNugget]

There was no post-impact fire.

He was pretty lucky that there was no fuel , huh?

 

[HMR]

There was no post-impact fire.

He was pretty lucky that there was no fuel , huh?

And I thought he didn't do any flight planning.

 

[Lead Sled]

A perfect example of $$$ in the bank ≠ brains in the head.

 

[Flying Illini]

Hmmmm? Let's see... 507nm x-country (straight line), 1600lbs of fuel according to the gauges (that's an inside joke for KA pilots), depending on serial# the BE20 cruises between 250-280kts and burns 800lbs first hour/700lbs for the second hour.

The only thing I can't figure out is how he made it that far before he crashed?

Wow...he's a lot braver than I am. He had 1600lbs if he was lucky...

 

[mattpilot]

it was a clear day that day.. not really IMC - i live in tulsa

lemme go find some pictures of the wreckage

 

[mattpilot]

http://www.kotv.com/main/home/stories.asp?whichpage=1&id=73989

http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/1204/193336.html

 

[FN FAL]

Departing Wisconsin, I never leave without 1800 to 2000 lbs of fuel...and I only burn 350 Lbs per hour total. Din't this guy know he was leaving the Great Lakes Triangle? Muhahahahaha.

Glad to see know one was injured to badly in this one...no matter what caused it.

 

[701EV]

To much money

To little Brains

What an IDIOT!

701EV

 

[TurboS7]

This should read fameout on IlS/IMC due to running out of fuel. Ridiculous.

 

[avpro91]

HMR is right, I'm surprised he made it that far too. What an idiot. I hope this guy owned this airplane and his insurance company refuses to pay for it on a count of STUPIDITY!

 

[prpjt]

Looks like his fuel guages were pretty accurate if it's a B200. Flameout occurred right about where it should have. I think he was around s/n 860. Let's see:

By the book:

350 lbs for climb and descent.
950 lbs enroute fuel.
60 lbs for taxi
150 lbs for approach manuevering

1510 lbs 'til flameout assuming unrestricted taxi, climb and descent. Probably did a high speed descent to use up a bit more fuel.

Or the tried and true method of 800/700:
507 miles assume a little help from the wind, 1.9 hour trip.

800 lbs 1st hour
630 lbs 2nd hour (.9)
150 approach manuevering

1580 lbs. til flameout.

Looks to me like the guages were accurate to within about 100lbs. Absolutely no excuse, though it happens about every year or so in a King Air. This guy is more than likely going to be given a little break from flying airplanes. I'm glad nobody was injured, that could have been really ugly. Pure luck.

 

[User546]

I know this guy personally, and although I won't post anything derogative or negative towards him, let me just put it this way....

DON'T FEEL SORRY FOR HIM.

He had it coming a long, long time....

Unfortunately, it wasn't his airplane, and he still has another King Air that he manages.

 

[SuperFLUF]

................Unfortunately, it wasn't his airplane, and he still has another King Air that he manages.

Hopefully, not for long.

 

[Pilot124]

A little flight planning goes a long way. Or in his case 6nm farther.

unusable fuel in a BE20?

longer taxi?

Headwind?

 

[Vector4fun]

According to the pilot, approximately 6 miles from the runway, the right engine started to "sputter" before it finally quit.

Do PT-6s really "sputter"?? That don't sound good....


Hmmm, so he's already admitted to the NTSB he didn't have anything like IFR fuel reserves, and KNEW that before he took off!

DOH...

 

[User546]

One thing I've found real interesting about Mike is that from the second the news crews hit the accident scene he was talking to them, and telling them what a heroic pilot he was for missing all the cars, how he had 200 lbs of fuel 15 minutes out, yadda yadda yadda.

I just remember sitting there watching him on TV and reading all the news articles thinking "Man, keep your mouth shut!" He has given the FAA so much to go after him with it ain't funny.

If that was me, I would've shut my mouth, not said a word, and let the FAA prove everything.