drug testing

[mayday1]

Have a question, not totally aviation oriented, but I figure some on this board might have some insight..

My company has just initiated "extended background checks" because we deal with highly personal and sensitive information. These background checks focus on criminal, credit, and drug testing. This has caused quite a stir, particularly among those who might partake in some pot smoking. As a result, there is talk about how to "cleanse" your system of any narcotics (GNC remedies, vinegar, etc.) prior to the test.

I'm curious.. if someone smokes pot, are there things people can do to avoid detection (i.e. the urine test)?

And, before anyone flames this... no, this isn't about me. I'm just curious about this issue because I think I know some folks that may lose their job.

 

[Guitar Guy]

The best way to avoid detection is to not smoke weed in the first place.

However, with regards to your question, perhaps someone here can provide more insight but I believe the pot test can be particularly hard to fool if they use a hair sample for it.

 

[mayday1]

The best way to avoid detection is to not smoke weed in the first place.

I understand that... I don't smoke weed, never have, never will. Just curious because, like I said, I think I may have some friends losing a job and a career, and folks are talking about ways to beat the test.
BTW, I don't think they're doing a hair sample, just a urine sample.

 

[Axel]

Dunno any spec's about concentration when high vs threshold of detection in urine, but THC has a 3 week half-life in your system.

Might be time for a visit to the Doc in the Box for a confidential drug test (self pay) followed by a personal leave of sufficient length. Speaking of sufficient length, might also be time for a visit to the barber for a head shave just in case.

Hope the buzz was worth it.

 

[garf12]

I lived with a bunch of pot heads in college and they used this "detox" stuff that you drink and it makes you pass. Everyone I heard talk about it said it worked. I think it can be bought at any head shop.

But stopping would probably be the best way.

 

[Singlecoil]

A lot of it depends on your weight, as THC is stored in fat cells. If you smoke everyday and are fat, I would say a month. If you are in shape and smoke everyday, give it 10 days and drink lots of water before the test. In shape and an occasional smoker? Drink lots of water before the test and don't smoke for at least 5 days.
That info straight from some close friends of mine who should know these things

That was for a urine test. Hair test? You're screwed.

 

[GravityHater]

just tell them you ate a poppyseed cake that your aunt made yesterday, your favorite and you couldn't resist!

 

[GravityHater]

Hair? That's right. But they usually test either pubic hair or underarm hair. Best to shave it all off right now. Then take a bath in 100% household bleach to detoxify the roots.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

Copious servings of Metamucil will clean ya out pretty well.

 

[TonyC]

Hair? That's right. But they usually test either pubic hair or underarm hair. Best to shave it all off right now. Then take a bath in 100% household bleach to detoxify the roots.

Copious servings of Metamucil will clean ya out pretty well.

I can just see some moron (so labelled due to the stupidity of using drugs in the first place) trying to avoid the test actually heeding this advice. Can you imagine the scene when the Metamucil takes effect at the exact moment the moron sits down in the bath? The medical examiner is going to have a tough time making sense of it all unless someone clues him/her into Flightinfo.com. THEN, you guys will be talking to the decedent's estate's lawyers about your part in the wrongful death trial!

Hopefully Mark will try to hide your indentities.



P.S. I hear ammonia works better than bleach.

 

[PropsForward]

I bet a tester lives for the day to see someone come in for a drug test that doen't have a lick of hair on his body, smells like ammonia, and needs the 64oz piss cup.

 

[Daveman]

Gotta love the the U.S.A., You can buy a shopping cart full of booze, yet get busted for a little herb. Oh, but it's somewhat legal in AK, right? Maybe SFO?
"Out of the blue and into the black, you paid for this and they give you that"....

 

[anjinoo7]

I don't know about other labs or organizations however I am framiliar about what is done in government circles. Cut-off for a positive test is about 15 nanograms. Hair tests really don't show one time usage but useage over prolonged periods. And yes it is factor of weight and body fat. I suggest drinking mucho water and not wasting time and money on "golden seal" or any other crap like that. That stuff is nothing more than snake oil.

 

[Jmmccutc]

ok, i have a question, I don't smoke but what about the second hand stuff? if you are occasionally arround it, say at a college party...could you theoreticlly pick up enough second hand smoke to fail a drug test? i wouldn't say that i come in contact with the substance in question on a regular basis, but let say once a semester i usually see someone fire up a "fat boy" or start packin a bowl...just curious...

just a quick story that amazed me for the utter lack of respect...last week i'm sitting in my buddy's living room after transporting two kegs back for a party and his next door neighbor walks in and starts burning a bowl while holding a normal conversation, like it's a usuall occurance to smoke in another persons place with out asking...well it was no big deal cause i told him that i didn't appreciate it as a guest, but later that night someone ended up kickin his ass after he stole a reasonalbe amout of herb at another party...**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ing idiot...

 

[350DRIVER]

http://www.all-detox.com/



Most all detox drinks will temporarily cleanse your system out to hide any drugs such as THC that may be in your system. There is no way they can tell if you have used one of these drinks, most realize these work.


They can get suspicious if the pee is very clear, although they still cannot prove anything if it does not test positive, but they can ask you to do the test again. To avoid this, take a vitamin B12 supplement to keep the yellow colour in your urine. Remember it is up to them to prove that you have taken drugs and not for you to prove that you have not. They do use scare tactics and some people fall for them too often.

As for drink products, some work better than others. I do not recommend drink products unless it is absolutely necessary. Here are the three most common myths on drink products:

Drink products rid the toxins from your system. Only time itself will remove toxins from your system. Drink products will only help minimize the toxin levels in urine.

The drink products must work because they offer money back guarantees. The guarantees that are used by many manufactures are the most dubious aspect of these products. To take advantage the double money back guarantees you need to provide a copy of your dissatisfied results. They do not tell you, getting a copy is nearly impossible because the company that paid for the test will tell you that you are not entitled to your results. Yes, you may be able to get your results but you usually have to spend lots of time and energy in doing so. Usually, people have more important things to invest their energy, like trying to find a way to keep their job or thinking of a way to find a new job. Suddenly, 30 dollars looks very unimportant when you are out of a job.

It is not the products that do the trick; it is the large amount of water that you drink does the most good. One thing that is common to all these products is that they require you to drink lots of water. I've seen these products come in capsule form, tablet form or drink form. Another thing they will all say is, drink lots of water. In essence, it is the water that does the trick and not the magical product. This is the real deal in regards to the drink products.
If they watch you take the p!ss test and you need to use a drink product then I recommend a company called who have some excellent cleansing drinks that do work.

For privacy reasons, they generally don't watch you pee when you do the test, unless it is for the Forces or probation services. So if they don't actually watch you take the test then all you will need for a negative test result is some 'Instant Powdered Urine', which again you can buy from Test Clear.

This product comes complete in a kit that includes an air activated heater that takes about 15 minutes to get at the right temp and will last between 4 to 5 hours.


good luck,



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disclaimer: the above was copied, edited, and posted on this thread from http://www.canedintotnes.co.uk/drhemp/past17.htm. In no way shape or form do I have any direct firsthand knowledge on using these techniques or methods. Take the above with a large grain of salt and proceed at your own risk.

 

[Flylo]

Hey you drug fiends ..... here's the RIGHT way

Forget all those pills and potions, you guys are barking up the wrong tree. You need to take the same course of action the Moslems do in countries where drug use is punishable by death.

First, don't cut all your hair off, just bleach it with peroxide.... head, underarms, private areas, legs, ears, etc. Not only will you pass the test but, as a blonde, you'll have more fun.

Next, castration; I know, I know, but think how important that job is. This procedure is little known outside the Moslem world because they don't want the infidels to find out how effective this is. Now were not talking about a little snip-snip vasectomy here..... whack 'em off. If this really bothers you, put them in a little basket outside a hopital door with a note signing them up for an organ donation, you'll feel much better knowing they're still out there somewhere doing their thing. I'm not a doctor but I HAVE personally talked to one on several occasions.

And finally, have all your teeth pulled. Apparently pulling your teeth along with the castration, sets up some kind of hormonal imbalance that make all traces of the drugs irrelevant. Some people will tell you to leave a couple of teeth to have something to hang your new dentures on but don't falll for it. Yank 'em all.

Now go out there and shoot up, snort up, smoke up and pill up, confident that you'll be able to pass your next drug test with barely a raised eyebrow. (Don't forget to bleach them too).

 

[mayday1]

Well, thanks for the interesting responses. As you can tell I'm a bit naive about drug usage, testing, etc. These extended background checks have some people in a dither, many demanding their right to privacy, etc. I think those complaining the loudest probably have something to hide. And knowing that there are a goodly amount of adults out there that smoke up (and not me as some of you have implied or presumed), I was just curious about how effective drug tests are.

 

[EagleRJ]

Easiest solution:

Quit aviation, then toke to your heart's content! The decision will be made for you sooner or later...

 

[avbug]

For those concerned about second hand smoke; avoid it. Will you test positive if you breathe it? You might, if you breathe enough of it. However, why chance it? Why bother at all? Or for that matter have a drug dog sniffing around you because the aroma is in your clothes? You've probably heard the saying, avoid the very appearance of evil. Good saying, good advice.

Not long ago I attended two weeks of ground training. Everybody stayed in the same hotel. On the second floor, where several of our people were put, a strong odor of pot could be detected in the hallway, and it just about bowled you over when you walked by and one particular room opened their door. Several rooms were partaking, and eventually removed from the hotel, but I elected to have my room moved to a different floor, first. I wanted no contact.

Some years ago at a drop zone, while I can't say that anyone at that DZ ever jumped on drugs, a small schoolbus was parked nearby that was used at night for "entertainment" purposes. I was invited on many occasions to the bus for a drink or two, and always politely declined. It was rumored that drug useage took place; I avoided that end of things. I associated with those people around the DZ, jumped with them, never saw them under the "influence," and never had anything but good to say about them. I avoided association or contact with what may or may not have been in that bus; you'd do well to engage in the same disassociation with such activities if you even suspect them to have taken place.

When I first became employed in law enforcement, I had absolutely no experience with drugs. I was working one afternoon and had a conversation with our undercover officer in the office, and remarked that to that day, I still didn't find the smell of marajuana to be distinctive. It smelled like...grass. Nothing that set it apart. He said I must be joking, and pulled some grass out of his locker. He put it in a try and lit it, fanning the smoke in my face. Take a deep breath, he said. I told him I still couldn't tell. Again, he said. Several tries later, I still couldn't tell, didn't feel too good, and the Sheriff who had the office next door burst in to ask what on earth we thought we were doing...especially during visiting day for the adjoining jail.

Personally, I've got no problem with the medicinal use of certain such chemicals. However, I've seen first hand the devestation and damage that drug useage does...not just to the user, but to those around the user, to society. I've seen it in the damaged or destroyed lives of innocent children. I've seen the economic damage it causes. And if you don't know, an ungodly amount of cash from drug sales funds terrorism.

Don't associate in any way, shape, or form with drug useage. If you suspect your friends partake, then encourage them in whatever way you feel appropriate to seek alternate means of fulfillment, and let them be your friends. But don't become associated even by proximity to their activities.

Choose your friends wisely.

 

[mayday1]

Avbug, thanks for the reply. I agree completely.

I figured I'd get flamed a bit for this question, but in all honesty, it is just a question.. the "friends" I referred to in my original post are actually just co-workers, and friends in the office, not so much people I associate with outside of work.

With the recent announcement at my company about these background checks, there's been quite a "buzz" (pun intended) among folks on how serious these checks are (they do credit, criminal, drug, identity, etc, etc), and a failure in any area will result in your termination, and the loss of a career. A lot of people joke around about the drug testing, but I suspect some of them are not joking and need to find some way to pass these tests... hence my question about how effective the drug tests are, and ways people can beat the test.

Fortunately, I've nothing to worry about.. I was just asking a question about something I know little about.