Don't want to pay a fair $ for tickets, it will affect you later.

[the_dimwit]

Excellent posts gents!

I wanted to chime in on the plumber salary; they make TONS of dough every year due to the supply and demand aspect of their job. Nobody, as a kid, dreams of becoming a plumber, not yet anyway. When the kids spot young pilots on welfare and a young plumber driving a brand new 350z, well times might change.

I see the future of air travel going to your closet 5k foot strip and hopping on a eclispe jet with 3 other strangers and buzzing off to your destination -better yet with 3 of your buddies.

I second that on the plumber's wealth. I've had to use the same plumber 4 times in the past 3 years. At a couple hundred a pop, he's doing fairly well! Add to that the fact that we happily give him the money for stopping a leak, fixing a hot water heater line, etc. and you've got a good career.

Plumbers, electricians, heating and air guys, etc. will always be in demand. So, I guess if this computer "thing" gets old, I'll just learn how to "jiggle the handle" on the toilet.



--Dim

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Interesting post...



I will agree that there seems to be a lot of college students, but I always thought higher education was good for the masses.

--Dim

I think higher education is good for the businesses, oops I mean universities that run them.....

Higher education has become a Pink Floyds Another Brick in the Wall meat processing plant.....

Univerisities today suck up the money and provide specalized information for a specific field. It doesn't necessarily provide a skill set for life....

Universities providing general business, social, global and economic perspectives? Hardley......

As more and more hourly labor jobs shift to immigrants, illegals and oversears workers, the paradigm shift begins...

The Corp Elite in this country do not see the difference between two hourly workers: a janitor and an airline pilot. (except Air Line Pilots are more difficult to deal with...) So, like the industrial revolution and technological revolution, the new revolution is coming. It maybe small business. Instead of working for the man, be the man.

Adapt or die...

Remeber, If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?

 

[the_dimwit]

I think higher education is good for the businesses, oops I mean universities that run them.....

Higher education has become a Pink Floyds Another Brick in the Wall meat processing plant.....

Univerisities today suck up the money and provide specalized information for a specific field. It doesn't necessarily provide a skill set for life....

Universities providing general business, social, global and economic perspectives? Hardley......

As more and more hourly labor jobs shift to immigrants, illegals and oversears workers, the paradigm shift begins...

The Corp Elite in this country do not see the difference between two hourly workers: a janitor and an airline pilot. (except Air Line Pilots are more difficult to deal with...) So, like the industrial revolution and technological revolution, the new revolution is coming. It maybe small business. Instead of working for the man, be the man.

Adapt or die...

Remeber, If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?

Great, Rez. Now I'll have that song in my head today!

I agree with your post--to a point. Without turning this thread into a degree vs. no degree argument, higher education has value.

The point I was trying to make is that certain career fields require a degree. It is very hard to be a lawyer without going to law school. It has been done, but the chances are slim that I would pass the Bar. Doctors have to go to college in order to work. Similarly, a CPA has to have certain classes before hanging a shingle.

Higher education does not have to mean college, either. You mention institutions that teach according to specialty or career. I don't see this as a bad thing, as long as a certificate does not get equated to a college degree.

And, finally, owning your own business does not exempt you from having a boss. Instead of reporting to a manager, you answer directly to the customer. You no longer have a set workday--it's endless. Before having our daughter, my wife owned her own massage therapy practice. She worked long hours, 6 days a week at times. She was happy, but it showed that just doing it for yourself does not take away all of the work-related issues.

--Dim

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Great, Rez. Now I'll have that song in my head today!

I agree with your post--to a point. Without turning this thread into a degree vs. no degree argument, higher education has value.

The point I was trying to make is that certain career fields require a degree. It is very hard to be a lawyer without going to law school. It has been done, but the chances are slim that I would pass the Bar. Doctors have to go to college in order to work. Similarly, a CPA has to have certain classes before hanging a shingle.

Higher education does not have to mean college, either. You mention institutions that teach according to specialty or career. I don't see this as a bad thing, as long as a certificate does not get equated to a college degree.

And, finally, owning your own business does not exempt you from having a boss. Instead of reporting to a manager, you answer directly to the customer. You no longer have a set workday--it's endless. Before having our daughter, my wife owned her own massage therapy practice. She worked long hours, 6 days a week at times. She was happy, but it showed that just doing it for yourself does not take away all of the work-related issues.

--Dim

Agreed.... owning ones own business is tough, but it maybe the next revolution regardless... Since "all the jobs are going overseas or are low balled"

It seems the universities have gotten away from the true intent of higher education... Producing citizens with a better understanding of the world to take to us to the new level... damm that sounds like a motivational speaker...

We will always have a boss. If it isn't the cusotmer then it is righteousness....

 

[macfly]

Higher education is now easier than ever to obtain, is this good or bad? Well its bad in a sense that now we have too many chiefs and not enough indians. Non - popular tech jobs such as car mechs, plumbers, Hvac guys are in demand, while your middle manager with a BA in management is a dime a dozen. 30 years ago the opposite was in effect. Is this your paradigm shift you speak of?

 

[macfly]

Im not saying both my bachelor degrees in Management and marketing collecting dust on my wall are useless, but alas, its not nearly as marketable as 5 year EXP in plumbing if I was to pound the streets looking for a job this afternoon.

But, in the end it feels good to be educated, no matter what your title.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

. Is this your paradigm shift you speak of?

No, I am still figuring it out.. but the paradigm shift is the small business revolution.

How can an immigrant family come here is make something of nothing? Small Business.

Is there higher education in small business? ( a specific degree).

I think more and more people will stop working for a company and more for themselves....

 

[the_dimwit]

I agree with both of you. The small business may be the next big thing, but there will still be a need for higher education. After all, who will the small business serve? If, as an employee working for a large company, I need a degree, wouldn't it be logical to assume that the same requirements would exist if I was my own "boss?" (Assume that the industry is the same in both cases.)

Again, I don't want to focus too much on the college/non-college issue. My point was that there are reasons for what is going on in the aviation industry, and they are not all based upon the consumer.

By the way, I found an interesting statistic on the Small Business Administration's web site:

[FONT=verdana, arial][FONT=Verdana, Arial]Estimates for businesses with employees indicate there were 580,900 new firms and 576,200 closures (both about 10 percent of the total) in 2004.

[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial] [FONT=Veranda,Arial,sans serif] Starts and Closures of Employer Firms, 2000–2004
[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial][FONT=Verdana, Arial][FONT=Veranda,Arial,sans serif]
[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT] Category.........2000......2001.........2002........2003.........2004
New Firms........574,300..585,140....569,750....553,500e...580,900e
Firm Closures....542,831..553,291....586,890....572,300e...576,200e
Bankruptcies.....35,472...40,099......38,540......35,037......34,317
[FONT=verdana, arial][FONT=Verdana, Arial][FONT=Veranda,Arial,sans serif]

e=Estimate. For more information, see "Business Estimates from the Office of Advocacy: A Discussion of Methodology", a working paper by Brian Headd, June 2005 (Research Summary #258).
Sources: U.S. Bureau of the Census; Administrative Office of the U.S.
Courts; U.S. Department of Labor, Employment and Training Administration.
[/FONT][/FONT]
[/FONT]Basically, it looks like the numbers are fairly even (statistically) for new small businesses. This could mean the new "age" is not quite here yet...only time will tell.

--Dim