DON'T give mesa guys a break

[ChinaClipper]

Bite My A$$...

the biggest mouthed anti-Mesa types are those who have either TAKEN concessions already and use YV as the "excuse" for not PERSONALLY have to risk anything OR THE PAID FOR THEIR JOBS!!! Talk about drivel, Please, Taking food outta my kids mouth? I remember being a poor CFI wondering if I'd EVER get a commuter job SOLEY because THEY could pay gazillions of dollars to BUY THEIR JOB and I couldn't (really WOULDN'T even if I had the cash!) Save you pious bull$hit, the facts are clear. Its easy to complain if YOU weren't the one "taking one for the cause". If ya wanna see how perverse this is, you tell me that USAir Mid Atlantic guys taking LESS than Mesa FOR BIGGER JETS is not worthy of your all-knowing kiddie rant. If you BOUGHT YOUR JOB you are the scum of the industry anren't qualified to comment on jack $hit!, the honor roll ? In the recent past; ACA, ASA, Express One/ Pinnicle, COMAIR leading the pack, GULFSTREAM and the list goes on, a list which DOESEN'T INCLUDE Mesa. In simple terms, if you're so brilliant and underpaid at your current position, get another job, I did......BTW NEVER forget what Freedumb Air has done to the profession, EVER! PS One Tuff Guylover is the one RECEIVEING in his avatar, what a wanker......

 

[ChinaClipper]

And another thing...

do even BEGIN to say no one fought JO and his scummy band of shysters, I had JO's Private investigators chasing me and quite a few others in a bizzare game of hide and seek. So don't tell me no fight existed. I risked my job in the fray, but got ZERO support frm my ALPA leadership! Many fought him at every turn only to be undercut by a MEC and negotiating committe who was unable to unify anything! Hey, if this contract was so posionous and sucked so bad, why didn't ALPA National withhold its blessings? The moral of the story is not the rants, but what happens when the ALPA structure is staffed my lameos and dufus idiots. JO used fear and intimidation to roll over a weak and pityful group of "union" members in charge of looking out for the interest of the whole. Instead, they looked out for themselves, Freedumb Air was taking on flying at a ferocious rate and growing. Jobs WERE leaving, probably never to return....JO may have been bluffing, but I doubt it. That diabolical SOB should be skinned.......along with the Mesa MEC and its Negotiating Comitte..........

 

[mckpickle]

Re: And another thing...

do even BEGIN to say no one fought JO and his scummy band of shysters, I had JO's Private investigators chasing me and quite a few others in a bizzare game of hide and seek. So don't tell me no fight existed. I risked my job in the fray, but got ZERO support frm my ALPA leadership! Many fought him at every turn only to be undercut by a MEC and negotiating committe who was unable to unify anything! Hey, if this contract was so posionous and sucked so bad, why didn't ALPA National withhold its blessings? The moral of the story is not the rants, but what happens when the ALPA structure is staffed my lameos and dufus idiots. JO used fear and intimidation to roll over a weak and pityful group of "union" members in charge of looking out for the interest of the whole. Instead, they looked out for themselves, Freedumb Air was taking on flying at a ferocious rate and growing. Jobs WERE leaving, probably never to return....JO may have been bluffing, but I doubt it. That diabolical SOB should be skinned.......along with the Mesa MEC and its Negotiating Comitte..........

We agree. Thats why we are all so pisssed. Because ALPA national and the Mesa MEC was so weak. But the pilots did nothing and with their 8X% pass rate it proves it.

 

[NightFlyer]

Man, all you guys sound like a broken record. The contract passed and there is nothing anyone can do about it at this point. Learn from it and move on with your lives and careers. Whining about the situation is not going to help anything. Take care.


NightFlyer

 

[low-key]

BOTTOM LINE: Mesa lowered the bar and also their union showed no balls with the last contract. whats done is done so, they gotta live with it. I am just thankful that my compaines union fought hard to get where were at now.

 

[boeingdriver213]

Do you think that if their had been an abundance of hiring at other airlines, and the economy had been in better shape, that JO could have pulled off what he did? It truly is frustrating to see the contracts that both Mesa and MAA have, but for a lot of pilots out there, there are no options. Many pilots out of work, or at Mesa are not twenty something people with all kinds of time on their hands to wait out an increase in hiring. They are forty and fifty something guys who had their careers pulled out from underneath them. Putting food on the table for their families is what is on their mind. And don't tell me they can always find work outside aviation, because it ain't pretty outside of aviation either......

 

[The Penguin]

First of all you people need to get your facts straight on the pay at Mid Atlantic. MDA is payed Eagle rates with the FOs earing top pay on the scale or $35.75 per hour = $35,000 per year max. The captains start at $57.29 per hour or $58,000 first year and then increase with longevity. Eagle rates are higher than Mesa, and its important to point out that Mesa only has a 60-76 seat pay rate. If the larger EMB175 goes to MDA, another pay rate will have to be negotiated because Eagles rate is only for 60-70 seat aircraft. I'm not saying what the mainline MEC did was great for the industry, but no one under cut Mesa as that would be impossible to do.

 

[crashpad]

no one under cut Mesa as that would be impossible to do.

That remains to be seen. I think the real worms of this industry are the ones beating their chest the loudest right now.

 

[Ben Franklin]

Re: And another thing...

I had JO's Private investigators chasing me and quite a few others in a bizzare game of hide and seek.

Please keep your homosexual fantasies to yourself.

Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[crashpad]

BF, that was classic! LOL!