Does the instructor have to be a CFII?

[minitour]

I believe where Jedi was going was: The hours of instrument training given in preparation for the commercial practical test have to come from a CFII ("Authorized" instructor). I'm pretty sure you need 10...been a while since I looked.

-mini

 

[midlifeflyer]

There are two questioins presented by the scenario:

1. May a one-I give dual in IMC. The answer, as so many have already said, is Yes.

2. Can a one-I give the hours of "instrument instruction" required for the commercial? As Jedi pointed out, the answer is No.

 

[UND84]

So, back to the original question. A student goes up to fly the complex with the single I. They are in actual. Who gets to log what. The student can log actual and PIC and the instructor would be getting PIC as well as he is instructing. But, does the single I get to log actual if he is current? Or does only pilot get to log the actual. It doesn't make sense that the cfi could log the actual if he is not a CFII. Thanks...

 

[midlifeflyer]

So, back to the original question. A student goes up to fly the complex with the single I. They are in actual. Who gets to log what.

(I'm assuming the student is properly rated for the airplane) The student may log PIC, actual, and dual received. The CFI may log PIC, actual, and dual given.

It doesn't make sense that the cfi could log the actual if he is not a CFII. Thanks...

Why not? Remember, we're only dealing with a bunch of rules that reflect FAA choices about what the FAA will allow someone to count when applying for a certificate or rating or to show currency. There doesn't =have to= be a connection with what you or I would consider valuable experience.

Part of the key is that the 61.51 logging rules for CFI have =absolutely nothing= to do with acting as PIC, acting as any required crew, currency, medical certificates, or anything else other than the act of providing instruction.

"An authorized instructor may log instrument time when conducting instrument flight instruction in actual instrument flight conditions." Period. No conditions.

(We tend to get too stuck on "authorized instructor" here and try to interpret it way too narrowly - tell me, can a CFI provide the 3 hours of training in flight by reference to instrument in actual and log the time? Of course he can. The only restriction on a CFI is that the training time cannot be used toward the "student's" "instrument training" requirements in Part 61. Other than that there are no prohibitions and the rules are pretty simple.)

Example: CFI, lapsed medical, no FR in 7 years, completely out of instrument currency goes up with an current instrument-rated pilot for a brush up. The flight is entirely in IMC and the pilot is not wearing a view limiting device. The CFI gets to log PIC and actual (and even the approaches if you buy that line of opinion).