Does she have a chance with you?

[Just a kid]

You're a CFI. A potential student comes to you. She has just bought a Lake Amphibian. She has soloed a C-152, has no other ratings and wants to finish her private SEL in her own airplane. Can you legally instruct her in the Lake?

I don't know what difference this makes, but she is very beautiful. Just wanted you to have all the information.

 

[U-I pilot]

some are high performance so you'd have to deal with that if appropriate. I am pretty they are complex too so same deal there.
Then takeoff and land on land airports and train away......
Am I missing something here?

 

[CSY Mon]

Yup, will do and she has a chance.

A SES rating helps to sign her off, gear up and all.

 

[Just a kid]

Good! Will your FBO's insurance allow you to do that if you do not have x00 hours in the LA4-200?

 

[atlcrashpad]

Do you have a picture of her? Just want to make sure she is beautiful. You know, the real standard beauty.

 

[Just a kid]

Do you have a picture of her? Just want to make sure she is beautiful. You know, the real standard beauty.

Drop-dead gorgeous.

 

[MarineGrunt]

Good! Will your FBO's insurance allow you to do that if you do not have x00 hours in the LA4-200?

Your FBO's insurance would have nothing to do with it if it's her airplane. You will have to be named under her policy. Just make sure you are personally insured as an instructor either through your school or AOPA in case you bust up her airplane and she goes after you.

Wouldn't have a chance with me since I'm married, but if I were a single dude, I'da been all up in dat a$$. Seriously though, go for it. Sounds like fun....

 

[Just a kid]

Your FBO's insurance would have nothing to do with it if it's her airplane. You will have to be named under her policy. Just make sure you are personally insured as an instructor either through your school or AOPA in case you bust up her airplane and she goes after you.

Thanks, Grunt. We'll check out the named-pilot stuff.

 

[A Squared]

Thanks, Grunt. We'll check out the named-pilot stuff.

OK, be very careful you understand what the policy says. Just being listed on the policy as an approved pilot does not protect you. All that says is that the insurance company agrees to pay the owner if you're flying it. It may still go after you to recover thier losses. In order to be protected, you have to be a named insured, or an additional insured party or some such terminology.

Here are two articles which describe it a little more thouroughly:

http://www.avweb.com/news/insure/188814-1.html

http://www.avweb.com/news/insure/190338-1.html

 

[Mickey]

I agree with most of the posts. Check her insurance carefully. We had a guy with a C177RG and he wanted to do his PPL in it. His insurance did not allow it. Insurance companies tend to be harder on retracts for the private. I've done a lot of high performance PPL's but none had retracts. I'd imagine if you pay enough it could be done. It's usually always about money when it comes to insurance companies.

Good luck.

 

[katanabob]

Insurance companies are getting pretty touchy about amphibs, (even moreso than standard retracts) due to the high rate of pilots inadvertantly landing in the water with the gear down. While it may sound benign, it's usually fatal.

 

[kaj837]

If memory serves me correctly, an SES rating is required for an amphibian. That being the case the CFI must have an SES rating, and she would qualify for SES on her Private, not SEL. I'm pretty sure they qualify as high performance, 250 hp I think. I don't believe complex applies to seaplanes, but not sure. I think.

 

[sky37d]

I don't believe complex applies to seaplanes, but not sure. I think.

In this case, an LA4-200, it is complex. Retract gear, C/S prop, and flaps.

If it was a 182 on straight floats, or a Martin Mars, then it wouldn't be complex, no retract gear.

Check the insurance. You do not have to have SES to instruct her as SEL. The SES is an add on to the private.

 

[landlover]

If memory serves me correctly, an SES rating is required for an amphibian. That being the case the CFI must have an SES rating, and she would qualify for SES on her Private, not SEL. I'm pretty sure they qualify as high performance, 250 hp I think. I don't believe complex applies to seaplanes, but not sure. I think.

yes 250hp = High performace. Complex seaplane = props and flaps, both adjustable. not sure where it is written but i read it somewhere.

 

[A Squared]

yes 250hp = High performace. Complex seaplane = props and flaps, both adjustable. not sure where it is written but i read it somewhere.

It's in the Commercial PTS. It says: "A complex seaplane is one having flaps and controllable propeller."

 

[sky37d]

It's in the Commercial PTS. It says: "A complex seaplane is one having flaps and controllable propeller."

Great, but back to basics. This lady wants to do PRIMARY FLIGHT TRAINING. She has to get her PRIVATE SEL before she goes off to splash and dash. AFTER passing SEL, then go for SES. And, as a SEL, is it a complex aircraft. It is also a complex seaplane.

 

[A Squared]

Great, but back to basics. This lady wants to do PRIMARY FLIGHT TRAINING. She has to get her PRIVATE SEL before she goes off to splash and dash. AFTER passing SEL, then go for SES. And, as a SEL, is it a complex aircraft. It is also a complex seaplane.

Uhhhh, well, I think you are reading something into what I said. I was merely providing the refernce that landlover was thinking of which isn't really relevant to the Lake anyway, because it has retracts so is a complex aircraft no matter how you cut it. ....but since you commented, no, she doesn't have to do her SEL first, she could just as easily do the SES rating first (assuming qualified instructor) many people do.

 

[sky37d]

Well, there I go again, thinking I might know something. I always thought that SEL was a pre-requisite for SES. Of course you have pointed out that is not the case.

It does make perfect sense, to own a Lake Amphib, and get the SES first.

 

[kaj837]

Of course it is complex. I realized that shortly after my previous post. The question is: Doesn't an amphibian require a Seapane rating? I seem to remember reading that somewhere.

 

[A Squared]

Well, there I go again, thinking I might know something. I always thought that SEL was a pre-requisite for SES. Of course you have pointed out that is not the case.

It does make perfect sense, to own a Lake Amphib, and get the SES first.

Yeah, it's obviously much more common to get the SEL first, but it's not required.