Does it really matter where you come from?

[ADF_Fixed]

Does it really matter where you come from. FAR91 or FAR141?

Does it really matter from an airline(s) recuiter point of view that you got your rating from FAR 91 or FAR 141. I got my PPL from a FBO. But they kept on telling me "you can get all your rating with us. We can save lot money." Deos it really to attend some of the Academy that affiliated with some airlines. What is/are the chance(s) of been consider by the these airlinesl once you wrap up the so call minumum hours (1500).

 

[NuGuy]

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[Vik]

I think you mean Part 61 or 141.

Regardless, no one gives a crap. Either you know what you need to know at the interview or you don't.

No one cares if you went to a FBO, a college, an academy, or you're related to Howard Hughes (btw, Aviator was a good movie .. )

Does it really matter from an airline(s) recuiter point of view that you got your rating from FAR 91 or FAR 141. I got my PPL from a FBO. But they kept on telling me "you can get all your rating with us. We can save lot money." Deos it really to attend some of the Academy that affiliated with some airlines. What is/are the chance(s) of been consider by the these airlinesl once you wrap up the so call minumum hours (1500).

 

[mattpilot]

depends who you ask .... some will tell you yes, some will tell you no.

Airlines will hire you regardless of where you got your ticket, as long as you fulfill their requirement. However, what if there is only 1 pilot position available and 2 pilots applying.... one got it part61 and one got it part141 with both about the same number of hours. Who do you think will most likely get the job ?


The advantage of a 141 school is that you will also (most likely) get a college degree. For the Major airliners a 4 year college degree (regardless in what subject) is required. So if you already have a college degree, you might want to go Part61 and invest in a lot of multi time. If you don't already have a college degree, you might consider part 141.

 

[Goose Egg]

It doesn't matter at all. And I say that as an instructor at a Part 141 school.

-Goose

 

[minitour]

Technically you always get your rating under Part 61. You can do training that is approved under part 141, but Airman Certification is Part 61 regardless.

With that in mind, I really don't think it matters. I've seen great and crappy instructors/students at FBOs and great and crappy instructors/students at 141 schools.

-mini

 

[jumppilot]

Technically you always get your rating under Part 61. You can do training that is approved under part 141, but Airman Certification is Part 61 regardless.

With that in mind, I really don't think it matters. I've seen great and crappy instructors/students at FBOs and great and crappy instructors/students at 141 schools.

-mini

Excellent point.

It doesn't matter where you get your ratings. I've seen people at my airline who come from nowhere NE, Embry Riddle and even some who went to Stanford then got their ratings at a town in FL with a like name.

It doesn't matter. Get your time, your ratings and you've checked the box. After that, your education and personality will be the deciding factor in a job interview.

 

[typhoonpilot]

You beat me to it GK, that was going to be my reply.

I agree with what has been said so far. I would add, however, that the big schools offer you are chance to meet a lot of fellow pilots. Those contacts can be invaluable as you look for employment in the future.


TP

 

[minitour]

The guy who has the better interview of course.

No.

The one with the degree.

*this ought to get someone in here started*

-mini

 

[mattpilot]

Correct, A good interview means everything. But you must also first get to the interview. You get there by having good qualifications.

As i've said - some will say yes, and some will say no.

I've met many, many pilots who believe their education at a part 141 school made the difference to them being hired. But i've also met many part61 people who say they had no difficulty getting a job and strongly feel that it made no difference.

 

[bobbysamd]

Professional-like training experience

I think it matters in terms of quality of training. While the long and short of it may boil down to your instructor(s), 141 schools emphasize standardization, including standardized procedures and standardized training. Good 141 schools, including FlightSafety, Comair, Mesa and aviation colleges, emphasize checklists and procedures more like what you'll encounter on the line. Each new 141 instructor takes initial and annual rides with the Chief Flight Instructor in each aircraft to try to ensure uniformity of training. Finally, 141 training tends to be very strict and formal because it is school and requires discipline to complete. Each student goes through several stage checks on the way to earning certificates and ratings; the objective being to ensure consistent training to standards during each phase of training. Compare to Part 61, where the only time one may be tested is the FAA practical.

Part 61 indeed sets forth the requirements for each certificate and ratings. Both 141 and 61 students must learn the same maneuvers and procedures, and are tested in accordance with the same PTS. Having learned under Part 61 and having instructed under both 61 and 141, I feel that 141 provides the better training experience - the one most similar to what one will encounter in professional aviation.

 

[minitour]

Well you didn't mention either of them having a degree.

You said they were qualified the same, just 61 vs 141. And that doesn't matter.

Better interview wins i fthe qualifications are the same.

uh...read the "*this ought to get someone in here started*"

That was supposed to be a sarcastic smart-ass comment...

-mini

 

[minitour]

Its late and I'm pissy and what else do us pilots do but constantly chew each other out?

I apologize...good night

nada problem...

sh*t happens...

-mini

 

[mattpilot]

I apologize...good night

your still online

 

[Whirlwind]

depends who you ask .... some will tell you yes, some will tell you no.

Airlines will hire you regardless of where you got your ticket, as long as you fulfill their requirement. However, what if there is only 1 pilot position available and 2 pilots applying.... one got it part61 and one got it part141 with both about the same number of hours. Who do you think will most likely get the job ?

In that case, the pilot who will get hired is the one whom the pilot doing the interviewing most wants to go have a beer after work with.

After it is clear that you can fly a plane, it comes down to personality more than anything else.

 

[Whirlwind]

I think it matters in terms of quality of training. While the long and short of it may boil down to your instructor(s), 141 schools emphasize standardization, including standardized procedures and standardized training.

If you believe that, then I've got a bridge to sell you...

Sure, some schools are bound to do a better job at it than others, but I know of several Part 141 schools that will give you a very different experience depending on whom your CFI is...

But that's true no matter where you go...

Each new 141 instructor takes initial and annual rides with the Chief Flight Instructor in each aircraft to try to ensure uniformity of training.

That isn't really true either... It is another checkbox to complete for the pilots, it isn't used for anything of the kind, not at the three Part 141 schools I know of anyway...

Finally, 141 training tends to be very strict and formal because it is school and requires discipline to complete. Each student goes through several stage checks on the way to earning certificates and ratings; the objective being to ensure consistent training to standards during each phase of training.

Considering the stage check instructors that I know, this also might or might not mean anything.

Having learned under Part 61 and having instructed under both 61 and 141, I feel that 141 provides the better training experience - the one most similar to what one will encounter in professional aviation.

I've also taught under both, and I don't think the 141 program means much, unless the management of the school really makes the effort to make it stick, and I have yet to see one that does.

Perhaps your experiences are different than mine, I'm sure there are some very good 141 schools out there, but then I'm sure there are some very good 61 schools as well. Personally I found the extra paperwork of 141 not worth the trouble.

My 2 cents worth.

 

[FN FAL]

If it doesn't matter where you come from, why did states like Virginia have a lawful and accepted eugenics program back in the 20's and 30's?

The sad results of this eugenics program being struck down, is evidenced by the guests that appear on "Judge Judy", "Peoples Court", "Judge Joe Brown", "Jerry Springer", "Maury Povich", "Ricky Lake", "Cops" and "America's Funniest Home Videos", I tell's ya!

 

[DashTrash400]

I got my PPL at a small Part 61 FBO, Instrument thru CFI in a large collegiate 141 program, and CFII/MEI at a large part 61 school, after which I instructed under both 141 and 61.

I'd partially agree with bobbysamd's observations, they are fairly consistent with my own experience. If you're motivated and have a good instructor, Part 61 training can be very high quality...but Part 141 training will *usually* be more consistently high quality and have a greater emphasis on standardization. Then again, a lot of the more infamous rip-off schools are 141.

So far as the airlines go...your knowledge, experience, and personality will have much more to do with you being hired than where you trained. In some limited cases your alma mater will help you get an interview, but it's sure not going to get you the job. You need to ace that interview and having attended UND/Riddle/Comair Acadamy once upon a time won't get it done for you.

From my own experience: the chief pilot of the airline I work for now is a UND grad (as am I) and tends to hire a lot of UND grads. In fact, UND grads can get an interview with far fewer hours than Average Joe off the street...the hiring of "600 hour wonders" has caused a little resentment among a small portion of the pilot group. I've haven't taken much grief myself...but I wasn't hired under reduced minimums (2500 hrs with Part 135 background). Incidently, I had two good friends of a purely part 61 background get hired here with 1200 hours at a time the average was around 2200.

Anyways to sum it all up: Few will care where you got your ratings. Go where you think you can find good instructors that teach standardization, at a decent price. If the place is cozy with a few airlines, great, but don't let that be the sole determinant of your decision.

Good luck.