Does FSI have a PFT operation?

[RJFlyer]

I did the FSI fast-track program in 2001. The training was excellent, but expensive.

There were a few people who were having problems with the program while I was there, and a few who didn't pass the checkride at the end. Most of those people got extra training (at no extra cost) and were allowed to take the checkride again. I haven't heard of anyone wash out of ASA who was hired from the FSI program.

Not to mention, after you complete the evaluation flights (the $5300), you are guaranteed an interview with ASA. If you pass the interview, the job is yours to lose. No other school can offer that.

My take: now way is it PFT because you're paying FSI, not ASA.

If I had not done this program, I would probably still be flight instructing and looking for my first regional job, instead of flying the RJ for 3+ years.

Good luck at FSI, the training is unparalleled.

 

[350DRIVER]

Not to mention, after you complete the evaluation flights (the $5300), you are guaranteed an interview with ASA. If you pass the interview, the job is yours to lose. No other school can offer that.

I love it, you spend thousands and thousands of dollars to buy a job to make $25K a year because "no" other school can offer that?!!!!!!!. Most all other schools do in fact allow students these opportunities through a program they call "hard work".

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[Sol Rosenberg]

"PFT is when you pay $30k, get a job at a regional that pays $8/hr (well below what the industry avg is for that job), and your $30k gets you say 250hrs in a B1900, and once your 250hrs are done, you are kicked to the curb. Thats PFT."

Ummm....

GIA doesn't kick people to the curb. They are scouted out by other regionals before they can even take a seat on the street corner. GIA's F/O program is not PFT. None of us buy a job.

PFT= I walk into Comair and pay them 10K for a job that I can have until I retire.

GIA= An excellent training program and experience for low time pilots who want to become marketable. F/O program students do not "take" a seat from pilots because we have permanent F/O's.


And yes, FSI ASA program is a PFJ straight up. It is a good program and very difficult. I cannot say how reliable they are at finding you a job with another regional if it doesnt work out. All the guys and girls that I know who attended that program were pre 9/11 grads and were furloughed immediately thereafter.

Russian, why do you come out of the woodwork defending PFT every time it is mentioned on this message board?

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

GIA= An excellent training program and experience for low time pilots who want to become marketable. F/O program students do not "take" a seat from pilots because we have permanent F/O's.

Permanent fo's, huh? So I'll send my buddy to GIA to interview for a fo position. He has his commercial, with 1500 hours and KingAir time, but no money to pay GIA. Will he get hired Russian?
PFT sucks.

 

[enigma]

I have a question about FlightSafety and their "right seat direct program." I was initially looking on their website to research their CFI program, when I came across their "advanced airline training" program. To briefly summarize, you enter the program with your commercial, multi, instrument.. satisfy a single engine and multi engine evaluation to the tune of $5300, DID YOU MAKE A TYPO ? $5300 FOR AN EVALUATION? interview with a regional for a conditional letter of employment, and then return to FSI to complete advanced airline training (basically, level D sim training along with some seneca twin time) for an additional $22,500. Then, upon successful completion of this program, you get a job with the regional - and go through their normal indoc like any other street hire.

Anyway, what do people think about this program? Sounds to me like you're paying $30k for a job, or at least a twist on the PFT thing..?

Let us first revisit PFT, PFT is not paying for training. PFT is buying a job. Period.

This program is PFT, plain and simple. The airline and FSI are muddying the water by arranging for FSI to accomplish the sim training.

It helps to look at these situations from this perspective. "Is the training you receive good anywhere other than the airline for which it is intended?" or; will the "training" increase your marketability accross the board, or only at the sponsoring airline?

It also helps to look at the applicant. If the participant in this scheme is employable without the program, he's just stupid for spending the money. If he is NOT employable without the program, he's BUYING a flippin job.


enigma

 

[mayday1]

not a typo - $5300 for the eval. Crazy isn't it?

 

[T-Gates]

To The_Russian...

Do you realize that you do more damage than good in theese PFT discussions you engage in? You re-ignite people's hatrid. Do the rest of us a favor and shut up. I stopped caring what people think awhile ago. Stop trying to be the patron saint of PFT. For years I engaged in theese same discussions with Bobbysamd and 350Driver, I grew tired of it. I grew to respect that none of us will change our opinions. But you seem to want to convince the world that GIA is the way to go! I'm sorry, if someone can get into this indistry without paying Tom Cooper thousands of dollars...GOOD! And now that places like Great Lakes and CoEx are hiring with 500-600TT, why should one go pay GIA tens of thousands for 250 hours? I did it, don't regret it a bit, but would I reccomend it to anyone? No! The industry isn't as doom and gloom as it was 3 years ago (And suave marketing did a number on me making me think it was worse than it was) And signing my 250 dollar a month check to the loan company still stings!

From one ex-GIA pilot to a current one...SHUT UP! Please!

 

[Vik]

Great Lakes is hiring again? Minimums?

 

[U-I pilot]

Just checked the website. It says 750/50.

http://www.greatlakesav.com/html/pilots.html

 

[350DRIVER]

Did The one and only Pomeroy jump ship to Alaska Airlines or is he doing a corporate gig in the DIA area?.


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