Does a F.O. on a twinjet operated under P.91 need a type rating?

[Senior_Citizen]

In our F.D. considering to operate again a CJ2 and a "Big Jet" under P.91, the CJ don't need a co-pilot, we operated the CJ2 by 3 years, for safety we just put on the F.O. seat a MEII pilot with "enough" knowledge to land the A/C in case of "Captain Failure" (the guy does the theoretical study on the CJ2 but no enough time to get the type, later he got the type and leave us, so we just contracted another MEII), it's clear we can do that under F.91 with a plane certified for single pilot, but... is possible to do the same with a bigger jet that requires a crew of two ?

I knew people in S.America that operates Hawkers with the same crew combinations, seems they have no problems (they rarely fly to the US), we just moved to a USA location and we consider to operate both A/C contracting four pilot two Cap. with the Type, and two MEII with some training on the type, if the arrange isn't possible we could contract as F.O. of the bigger Jet a guy with the type on both the bigger and the CJ, this guy will be capt on the CJ and F.O. on the "Big Jet", the problem is that when the one plane Flies the other need a contract pilot to fly.

The "big jet" is a new one, Medium Range, complex, will arrive in few months, most routes are KFLL to Spain, and from KFLL to the caribean area.

 

[flyboyike]

Since you will be operating internatilonally per FAR 61.55(3) he will need an SIC type rating. See here:

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/tex...v8&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.2.1.1.33&idno=14

 

[Seadogrun]

Domestically - No. Internationally - Yes. The Sic Type is fairly easy to obtain.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Be careful... Some countries don't recognize single pilot authorizations on some turbine planes... Canada and the Beech 1900 come to mind. Not sure if any places balk at a CJ single pilot. As for the large jet. At a minimum you should send the FO to a FO recurrent class on the aircraft and they MUST get at least the SIC type rating. I can't see transatlantic ops with a basically clueless FO being remotely safe or smart.

 

[Seadogrun]

At a minimum you should send the FO to a FO recurrent class on the aircraft and they MUST get at least the SIC type rating. I can't see transatlantic ops with a basically clueless FO being remotely safe or smart.

You are correct, but just to clarify it is required for all international (outside the US) flight not just crossing the pond.

 

[Senior_Citizen]

Now seems we will have two full rated pilots for the "big jet" and a SIC rated on the same and full rated the CJ, and a contract "SIC" when needed, we will cert. our current crew on the "big jet".

That was the best combination to keep the FD with 3 guys, and keep the insurance as low as possible.

Thanks to All.

 

[lawfly]

Be careful... Some countries don't recognize single pilot authorizations on some turbine planes... Canada and the Beech 1900 come to mind. Not sure if any places balk at a CJ single pilot.

In the "for what it's worth department", the CE-525S type rating entitles the holder of that type rating to single pilot operation of the CJ--it's not a "single pilot authorization" but an actual type rating. The CE-525 type rating requires an SIC.

 

[pilotyip]

It is my belief that if you are working for a 135 or 121 air carrier and flying as SIC under that certificate you do not need a SIC type. Anyone else have other thoughts on this issue?

 

[flyboyike]

It is my belief that if you are working for a 135 or 121 air carrier and flying as SIC under that certificate you do not need a SIC type. Anyone else have other thoughts on this issue?

If you operate exclusively within the US, then you are correct, however, for international work refer back to 61.55(3).

 

[Blackjet]

If you operate exclusively within the US, then you are correct, however, for international work refer back to 61.55(3).

Correct. It's not not the governing country that may or may not require it, it is the FAA. LAND outside the US with no SIC Type and you have just violated an FAR, as well as possibly the country's rules in which you landed. The catch all is the landing part. You could fly to Bermuda fly over head and not land, then come back to the US. You're safe there. But fly over Canada for example to get from point to point in the Northern US, have aircraft trouble and land in Canada, then you have violated an FAR.