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Dl Loses $109m In Dec

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lowecur

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You think maybe this will get the attention of the BK judge. DL is undercutting the hell out of the international marketplace to try and gain a foothold, and is losing it's arz. There is no way the judge will approve DL's plan unless they get their revenue in line with making a profit both domestically and on international routes.

The other financial filing said DL was keeping it's options open on a merger with NWA. I'm sure this is what the bulk of the creditors want eventually, but it's my assertion it needs to happen sooner rather than later.

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http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070214/earns_delta.html?.v=2
 
Is it not common for a bankrupt company to show a loss before exiting ch.11; or is this more of a loss than should be expected?
 
The big numbers are attributable to the Ch.11. The $109M in Dec. was what caught LC's eye.

These reports are mostly fiction anyway. CEO: What's our financial report say?
CFO: What do you want it to say? TC
 
Is it not common for a bankrupt company to show a loss before exiting ch.11; or is this more of a loss than should be expected?

Since everyone has forgotten, here is an article on UAL from right before they were to exit BK. They lost $16.9 billion in one quarter, with a $182 million operating lose.

"Near bankruptcy exit, United Airlines posts $182 million operating loss
CHICAGO (AP) — Poised to leave bankruptcy despite continuing losses, United Airlines reported a fourth-quarter operating loss of $182 million Friday that showed significant improvement after a three-year restructuring but still ran its money-losing streak to 5 years.
The nation's No. 2 airline and its parent UAL plan to emerge from Chapter 11 on Wednesday.
The net loss was a record $16.9 billion for the fourth quarter and $21.2 billion for the year, virtually all non-cash reorganization expenses. Most of those on-paper losses will be reversed within weeks, however, reflecting unsecured claims that will be settled for a fraction of the charges upon exit from bankruptcy.
The company is expected to disclose a multibillion-dollar gain when it reports first-quarter results, formally accounting for the overturning of many of those losses.
CEO Glenn Tilton cited cost reductions, strengthened revenue and the improved operating showing as evidence United is ready to come out of bankruptcy, adding that the company "can do better."
"These results set us on track for the year ahead," he told employees in a recorded message. "We will push forward and build on this momentum, knowing there is much to be gained simply in improving our execution, and our continuous improvement initiatives all throughout the company."
Near-record fuel costs remain a huge concern for United, as with all other carriers. Elk Grove Village-based United said the recent surge in oil prices means it will spend another $885 million on 2006 fuel costs than it estimated just recently.
"The external environment is still very difficult, and we expect that they're likely to report a loss this year" despite all the restructuring measures taken, said Philip Baggaley, airline analyst for Standard & Poor's Corp. "They're heading in the right direction, but they're not out of the woods yet."
Fuel costs that were 44% higher than in the fourth quarter of 2004 contributed significantly to the operating loss, which nonetheless was a $388 million improvement over the same quarter a year earlier. The company said revenue gains and non-fuel cost reductions, including a 27% drop in salary-related costs due to United's labor shake-up, helped offset a $397 million increase in spending on fuel.
The net loss amounted to $145.47 per share, compared with a net loss of $741 million, or $6.39 per share, a year earlier. Excluding reorganization and one-time items, the company said the net loss was $297 million.
Revenue was $4.4 billion, up 10% from $4 billion.
Some industry analysts say that even the extensive cost-cutting done by United since 2002 — whacking $7 billion off its annual expenditures — may not have gone far enough, particularly with rivals Delta Air Lines Inc. and Northwest Airlines Corp. now doing their own cost-slashing in bankruptcy court.
"Cost is the name of the game and I'd like to see that a little bit lower," said Ray Neidl of Calyon Securities.
Morningstar analyst Chris Lozier said United's competition among other legacy carriers may even get tougher with possible bankruptcy reorganizations by American Airlines parent AMR and Continental Airlines down the road.
For now, he said: "They (United) are ready to come out and be competitive with the best legacy carriers, but they're still not going to be competitive with the low-cost carriers. I don't know that the cost-cutting they've done is going to be enough."
For the full year, the net loss amounted to $182.29 per share, compared with a net loss of $1.72 billion, or $15.25 per share, in 2004. Revenue rose 6% to $17.4 billion from $16.4 billion.
The company said the 2005 net loss without reorganization and special items was $557 million, or less than half that of the previous year. The operating loss was $219 million.
United's current shares will be virtually wiped out when it leaves bankruptcy. The company's new stock will begin trading next week on the Nasdaq Stock Market under the symbol UAUA.
 
ceo: i know how we can make some money.......cfo: how?.....ceo:lets send 3 rjs to stewart every day because those basta### at aai are doin it
 
You think maybe this will get the attention of the BK judge. DL is undercutting the hell out of the international marketplace to try and gain a foothold, and is losing it's arz.



Delta Air Lines Reports 2006 Financial Results
Wednesday February 14, 8:00 am ET
Restructuring drives $2.1 billion improvement in operating results for 2006

ATLANTA, Feb. 14, 2007 (PRIME NEWSWIRE) -- Delta Air Lines (Other OTC:DALRQ.PK - News) today reported results for the quarter and year ended December 31, 2006. Key points include:

* Delta reported a full-year operating profit of $58 million, a $2.1 billion improvement over 2005, and the company's first annual operating profit since 2000. * Delta's fourth quarter net loss was $2.0 billion. Excluding reorganization and special items, the fourth quarter net loss was $179 million, a $603 million improvement over the 2005 fourth quarter. (1, 2)

* Delta reached its goal of $3 billion in annual financial improvements -- one year ahead of the originally targeted completion date.

* As of December 31, 2006, Delta had $3.5 billion in cash and cash equivalents, of which $2.6 billion was unrestricted.


``A full year operating profit, and the magnitude of the progress it represents, marks a major milestone for Delta. This is testimony to the dedication and hard work of Delta employees,'' said Gerald Grinstein, Delta's chief executive officer. ``With Court approval of the company's Disclosure Statement earlier this month, there is great momentum building towards a successful emergence from Chapter 11 this spring as a strong, healthy and independent global competitor.''

Revenue Performance

For the December 2006 quarter, total passenger revenue increased 5.9% on a 3.6% decrease in capacity. Delta's consolidated passenger unit revenues (PRASM) increased 9.9% in the December 2006 quarter compared to the same period in 2005. Delta's length of haul adjusted PRASM increased 12.1% for the fourth quarter 2006 versus fourth quarter 2005, as compared to the industry (excluding Delta) average PRASM increase of 5.1% over the same period.

For the full year 2006, Delta's consolidated PRASM rose 13.2% compared to the prior year. Delta's length of haul adjusted PRASM increased 17.8% for 2006 versus 2005, as compared to the industry (excluding Delta) average PRASM increase of 10.7% over the same period.

Operating Expense

For the December 2006 quarter, Delta's operating expenses decreased 10.2%, or $471 million, compared to the December 2005 quarter. Driven by its restructuring efforts, Delta's mainline unit costs in the fourth quarter of 2006 decreased by 9.3% as compared to the fourth quarter of 2005.
Excluding fuel and special items, mainline unit costs decreased 6.2% over the prior year period. Despite the $804 million increase in expense due to higher fuel prices in 2006 (3), Delta's operating expenses decreased by $1.1 billion, or 5.9%. Delta's 2006 mainline unit costs decreased by 3.9% in comparison to the prior year. Excluding fuel and special items, mainline unit costs decreased 3.9% for the same period.
 
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CMR used to serve Stewart a while ago....there have been numerous supplemental 121 carriers there off and on. Its just not that great a market.. maybe one day. Do you really think Delta's (or Air Tran's) success or failure depends on serving SWF? C'mon... if both carriers are there a year from now I'll be surprised.

Also, we don't have any non-RJ airframes to spare right now anyway.
 
Wonder what profit sharing will be.
 
Wonder what profit sharing will be.

None for this year, but if we continue to have $603 million year over year improvements like this, next year (the first year profit sharing kicks in contractually anyway) should be pretty good.

Guess I'll have to settle for my claim payout this year which if it sells for 40 cents on the dollar will be about $100K (they've been selling for 60-65 cents and Delta says they're worth 75 cents). Not sure if the note will pay this year or next but that'll be another $50K.
 
"Excluding special items, Delta (down $0.01 to $1.11, Charts), which has been operating under bankruptcy protection since September 2005, lost $179 million, a $603 million improvement over the year-earlier quarter.

Operating revenue rose 5.3 percent to $4.14 billion, below the analysts' average forecast of $4.37 billion.

Late last month, Delta won exit financing commitments from six major banks for $2.5 billion, which was seen as a major step toward fending off an unwanted $9.8 billion takeover bid from rival US Airways Group Inc. (up $0.08 to $44.79, Charts)

US Airways withdrew the offer on Jan. 31 after Delta creditors rejected it.

Delta's operating income was $6 million for the quarter and $58 million for the full year.

What's the difference between an "operating income" and a "loss excluding special items?"

I would think operating income/loss would be the same as income/loss exluding special items. Apparently not.

Is there an MBA in the house?
 
You think maybe this will get the attention of the BK judge. DL is undercutting the hell out of the international marketplace to try and gain a foothold, and is losing it's arz. There is no way the judge will approve DL's plan unless they get their revenue in line with making a profit both domestically and on international routes.

The other financial filing said DL was keeping it's options open on a merger with NWA. I'm sure this is what the bulk of the creditors want eventually, but it's my assertion it needs to happen sooner rather than later.

:pimp:​

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070214/earns_delta.html?.v=2


United had a $12 billion paper loss just before it emerged from Bankruptcy, and they also had $19 billion in left over debt after they emerged. Delta has a lot less debt, close to $7.5 billion I read, and we all know, unless you work at an insurance company, that loads to Europe in the winter are always lighter. I bet Delta will do great during their best quarters, spring and summer. You need to assert more thought and logic into your posts.
 
None for this year, but if we continue to have $603 million year over year improvements like this, next year (the first year profit sharing kicks in contractually anyway) should be pretty good.

Guess I'll have to settle for my claim payout this year which if it sells for 40 cents on the dollar will be about $100K (they've been selling for 60-65 cents and Delta says they're worth 75 cents). Not sure if the note will pay this year or next but that'll be another $50K.

A friend of mine at Delta said 1/3 of the claim was sold at 65 cents for the pilots, and the rest should be in the 50's. I think someone told me that United sold theirs at 24 cents on the dollar.
 

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