DL/DALPA agree to recall schedule

[no_land_3]

I'll post more info. as I receive it. Welcome back!

land_on_3
former furloughee

 

[FDJ2]

Here is the unofficial schedule for DAL recalls I got from the DALPA forum. Still no official word from the union, but apparently the MEC Chairman John Malone did state at a NYC LEC meeting that a schedule for recalls has been agreed too.

Month Recall Total
1....... 35..... 35
2....... 45..... 80
3....... 45..... 125
4....... 45..... 170
5....... 45..... 215
6....... 45..... 260
7....... 45..... 305
8....... 45..... 350
9....... 45..... 395
10..... 45..... 440
11..... 45..... 485
12..... 45..... 530
13..... 45..... 575
14..... 45..... 620
15..... 45..... 665
16..... 45..... 710
17..... 45..... 755
18..... 45..... 800
19..... 45..... 845
20..... 45..... 890
21..... 45..... 935
22..... 45..... 980
23..... 45..... 1025
24..... 45..... 1070

 

[storminpilot]

Here is the unofficial schedule for DAL recalls I got from the DALPA forum. Still no official word from the union, but apparently the MEC Chairman John Malone did state at a NYC LEC meeting that a schedule for recalls has been agreed too.

Month Recall Total
1....... 35..... 35
2....... 45..... 80
3....... 45..... 125
4....... 45..... 170
5....... 45..... 215
6....... 45..... 260
7....... 45..... 305
8....... 45..... 350
9....... 45..... 395
10..... 45..... 440
11..... 45..... 485
12..... 45..... 530
13..... 45..... 575
14..... 45..... 620
15..... 45..... 665
16..... 45..... 710
17..... 45..... 755
18..... 45..... 800
19..... 45..... 845
20..... 45..... 890
21..... 45..... 935
22..... 45..... 980
23..... 45..... 1025
24..... 45..... 1070

Are the 1070 recalled going to just keep up with retirements?

 

[InclusiveScope]

....just as CAL announces the possibility of more furloughs.

Reuters
Continental Airlines boosts fares over fuel costs
Tuesday May 18, 8:39 pm ET


NEW YORK, May 18 (Reuters) - Continental Airlines (NYSE:CAL - News)
raised fares worldwide on Tuesday, becoming the latest carrier
to increase prices to counter higher fuel costs.
Houston-based Continental also said that if fuel costs keep
rising, it may have to consider additional furloughs, wage and
benefit concessions and reduced pension funding for employees.
The fare increase is $10 each way for flights up to 1,000
miles (1,600 kms), and $20 each way for flights over 1,000
miles, the airline said, adding that the price rise will only
offset 15-20 percent of the impact of higher fuel prices.
"We worked hard to generate $900 million of operating
income improvements by removing non-value added expense and
generating additional revenue over the past two years," said
Gordon Bethune, chairman and chief executive officer.
"We originally expected that this would let us break even
in 2004. While we may be faring better than our financially
weaker competitors, none of us can afford to operate with these
high fuel costs.
"If we are not successful in passing along these exorbitant
fuel costs through higher fares, we will ultimately be forced
to seek significant wage and benefit concessions and furloughs
of our dedicated and hard working co-workers in order to
survive," Bethune said.

 

[TWA Dude]

This is great news for the DAL furloughees assuming it comes to pass. I guess DAL will soon be announcing a 5% per year growth in their mainline schedule? If not won't they be paying several hundred(s) pilots to do nothing? Methinks this story ain't over yet.

Dude

 

[~~~^~~~]

Unfortunately, TWA Dude speaks the truth. This is coolaid.

If ALPA wants to actually get the furloughees back on board, they need to deal in good faith to restore the company to profitability and viability.

The best thing about bankrputcy is that it provides the political cover for decisions that need to be made anyway. The unfortunate fallout is on the employees and others who depend on the Company.

~~~^~~~

 

[telex]

everybody to be back by aug 2006.

 

[Bill Mostellar]

If ALPA wants to actually get the furloughees back on board, they need to deal in good faith to restore the company to profitability and viability.

There were never negotiations regarding the return of the furloughees (that I know of), nor should there have been.

The furloughs were the result of Management's claim of force majure - forces outside their control - after 9/11, specifically that people were afraid to fly.

DALPA saw it as a violation of the recently signed contract, which contained a 'no-furlough' clause. DALPA claimed that the furloughs were an economic decision and filed a grievance.

The Arbiter, Mr. Bloch, determined the furloughs were legal, but that the Company would have to call the furloughees back when flying returned to pre-911 levels at Delta.

Flying returned to that level in April, 2004.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Hope you're back ASAP Bill.

 

[N2264J]

DL/DALPA agree...

There were never negotiations regarding the return of the furloughees (that I know of), nor should there have been.

DALPA saw it as a violation of the recently signed contract, which contained a 'no-furlough' clause. DALPA claimed that the furloughs were an economic decision and filed a grievance.

The Arbiter, Mr. Bloch, determined the furloughs were legal, but that the Company would have to call the furloughees back when flying returned to pre-911 levels at Delta.

Flying returned to that level in April, 2004.

~~~^~~~

This response to your statment is truly a symptom of the problem.

Nevermind the fact that "...call the furloughees back when the flying returned to pre-911 levels at Delta" means system wide including DCI and not just mainline ASMs.

This is going to have the effect of bringing bankruptcy on that much faster and once again leaving the furloughees in the lurch. Political window dressing.

 

[Bill Mostellar]

Re: DL/DALPA agree...

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This response to your statment is truly a symptom of the problem.

Nevermind the fact that "...call the furloughees back when the flying returned to pre-911 levels at Delta" means system wide including DCI and not just mainline ASMs.

This is going to have the effect of bringing bankruptcy on that much faster and once again leaving the furloughees in the lurch. Political window dressing.

Of course it includes DCI flying. That's the point!

Management's decision to shift the flying to DCI after 9-11 was economic, not a result of 'force majure.' That's why DALP grieved it.

Once the Arbiter made his decision, any negotiations by DALPA would've been tacit agreement with Management that the furloughs were appropriate.

Mr. Bloch allowed the furloughs and set the criteria for the recall - there's your politcal window dressing.

 

[N2264J]

Re: DL/DALPA agree...

Of course it includes DCI flying. That's the point!

Management's decision to shift the flying to DCI after 9-11 was economic, not a result of 'force majure.' That's why DALP grieved it.

Once the Arbiter made his decision, any negotiations by DALPA would've been tacit agreement with Management that the furloughs were appropriate.

~~~^~~~

See what I mean? The DMEC acts oblivious to the economic and contractual problems that brought us to this place and, incredibly, the furloughees seem to support it!

Jim Jones would have been proud.

I can just hear Grinstein now: Well, you've won the grievance and we'll be bringing back 1000 pilots to a workplace where 1000 cockpit seats don't exist. This is going to cause us to have to go even deeper into your contract than the 40% we've already discussed to offset this cost.

 

[Bill Mostellar]

Re: Re: DL/DALPA agree...

See what I mean? The DMEC acts oblivious to the economic and contractual problems that brought us to this place and, incredibly, the furloughees seem to support it!

Jim Jones would have been proud.

I can just hear Grinstein now: Well, you've won the grievance and we'll be bringing back 1000 pilots to a workplace where 1000 cockpit seats don't exist. This is going to cause us to have to go even deeper into your contract than the 40% we've already discussed to offset this cost.

DALPA didn't win the grievance. That's why there were furloughs.

"Coolaid drinker" typically refers to one who always believes management.

I wasn't furloughed (fortunately).

 

[80drvr]

Re: Re: DL/DALPA agree...

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See what I mean? The DMEC acts oblivious to the economic and contractual problems that brought us to this place and, incredibly, the furloughees seem to support it!

Jim Jones would have been proud.

I can just hear Grinstein now: Well, you've won the grievance and we'll be bringing back 1000 pilots to a workplace where 1000 cockpit seats don't exist. This is going to cause us to have to go even deeper into your contract than the 40% we've already discussed to offset this cost.

Maybe they'll use it as leverage to obtain more flying for DALPA pilots in exchange for rates that are competitive. It never hurts to negotiate from a position of power. Grinstein is trying to chip away at that with all the BK hysteria, but he's got a tough road ahead of him given the current cash flow.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Re: Re: Re: DL/DALPA agree...

Grinstein is trying to chip away at that with all the BK hysteria, but he's got a tough road ahead of him given the current cash flow.

Er' what? Hysteria?

Cash flow? Delta has 2.2 Billion. There are 600 million of debt before the end of the year to pay and 300 million in Cap Expenditures coming up ( anyone seen JFK lately ). With what little Connection can do to offset mainline losses that takes us perilously close to the 1.4 to 1.6 BK number. Looks like Delta is still on course for the late fall 04 to spring 05 date with the Judge. And there is still silly stuff like accidently chopping a wing spar on an MD11 ( a rumor, hopefully not true ).

Shame the Company does not have the credit to hedge fuel.

Delta stock is up almost 25% for the week. The optimist in me wants to belive there is a deal in the works, but calls from the Delta MEC office lead me to think nothing serious has happened.

If I was a Canadian politician that backed loan deals, I think I'd be looking for another gig.

~~~^~~~

 

[Networ-King]

Fins,

You know.... you have got to be the most bitter guy that I have seen on this forum. and you still have a job, a pretty secure one at that. Now tell me do you have any other experience then PFT and working your way up the rank and file of ASA to become such a bitter fu%k or did you start screaming delta sucks right when you popped you head out of your mom in the back of that station wagon when she gave birth to you in the middle of the night? Maybe its a lack of O2 to the brain...... dunno, but you may start to flame away because from here on out you are the only one on my ignore list. Hope you enjoy you regional and I hope they have a good retirement plan for ya.

 

[pinch52]

Just spoke to a DAL pilot today and he said that either May or June not sure which month it was that there will be 200 pilots retiring. Anyone else heard this?

 

[no_land_3]

June 1st Retirements

As of May 21st the list was to 217. The number changes daily. I expect hundreds more once a TA is crafted.

land_on_3

 

[N2264J]

Re: DL/DALPA agree...

Fins, You know.... you have got to be the most bitter guy that I have seen on this forum.

Bitter? I don't think so. And shooting the messenger isn't going to fix the problem.

What he's saying is true. A good faith effort by the DMEC to make Delta competitive and profitable in today's marketplace is what the furloughee's require to secure their future-not some political fluff recall schedule when the cockpit seats don't exist.

The longer the DMEC waits to close a deal, the more it's going to hurt. If they end up taking the company into bankruptcy, how is that going to help the furloughees? Not to mention the fact that if mainline goes into Chapter 11, ASA and Comair will be there too getting our contracts gutted even though both companies are profitable according to the DOT. So our fate is in the hands of an MEC who we did not elect and who clearly does not represent our interests. Sound fair? Sound like equal representation to you?

No, you haven't seen bitter yet.

 

[80drvr]

Bitter? I don't think so. And shooting the messenger isn't going to fix the problem.

What he's saying is true. A good faith effort by the DMEC to make Delta competitive and profitable in today's marketplace is what the furloughee's require to secure their future-not some political fluff recall schedule when the cockpit seats don't exist.

The longer the DMEC waits to close a deal, the more it's going to hurt. If they end up taking the company into bankruptcy, how is that going to help the furloughees? Not to mention the fact that if mainline goes into Chapter 11, ASA and Comair will be there too getting our contracts gutted even though both companies are profitable according to the DOT. So our fate is in the hands of an MEC who we did not elect and who certainly does not represent our interests. Sound fair? Sound like equal representation to you?

No, you haven't seen bitter yet.

Can you please post a reference to the ASA/Comair financial information you quote. I'm genuinely interested in seeing how the SJP report. Thanks.