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Delta CFO meets with Northwest pilots
Thursday June 5, 609pm ET
By Joshua Freed, AP Business Writer In search of a joint contract, Delta CFO Ed Bastian meets with Northwest pilots
ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) -- Delta Air Lines Inc. dispatched executive Ed Bastian to answer questions from Northwest Airlines pilots on Thursday, continuing Delta's effort to bring the pilots together before joining the two carriers.

The meeting behind closed doors at a hotel was unusual in bringing together the pilots of one airline and high-ranking executives from another. A pilot agreement is not necessary for a Delta-Northwest combination, but executives have said it would help the new airline save money faster.

The two airlines originally tried to get their pilots to agree on a joint contract even before announcing Delta's planned purchase of Northwest. When that failed, they announced the combination April 14 but said they still wanted a pilot deal in hand before the transaction closes, expected around the end of this year.

Bastian, the president and chief financial officer of Delta Air Lines Inc., said Northwest pilot leaders invited him to address their Master Executive Council meeting on Thursday. For more than two hours he made a presentation about the impact of high fuel prices and Delta's desired timing for reaching a joint contract. He also answered questions.

Only Northwest pilot union leaders were allowed inside. "It gave us a chance to talk about our respective views towards the future and how best to make certain that the merger's going to be a success," Bastian said.

Northwest Airlines Corp. pilots have said they want pay raises right away to bring them to the same level as their Delta counterparts. The pilots say Delta management wants to slowly bring their pay to the same level.

Asked whether the union brought up the issue of pay raises to match Delta pilots, Bastian said: "It wasn't a negotiating session. They expressed their views, and I heard them, and I understand them."
Dave Stevens, chairman of the Northwest branch of the Air Line Pilots Association, said the main point he stressed to Bastian was that "to have a successful merger, all pilots and all employees have to be treated the same."

Other airlines have been reducing flying as they try to cope with rising fuel prices. Delta announced a 10 percent capacity cut in March, and UAL Corp.'s United Airlines and Continental Airlines Inc. both followed this week. "We're looking at some additional pruning, but it will be not nearly as material as the last go-around," Bastian said. He also said Delta has stopped hiring new pilots but does not expect to furlough any current pilots.




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Get ready..... MGT is priming you guys for concessions..........

MESA SUX........... bouyyyyyyyy.....
 
Get ready..... MGT is priming you guys for concessions..........

MESA SUX........... bouyyyyyyyy.....

Not really. What I think is interesting is that Delta and NWA do not want to SPOOK anyone about this merger. That may stop them from INTIALLY furloughing anyone or parking anything of substance, because some political person may ask "Can a merger between the two be worse than them staying on their own???" There are large merger bonuses tied in with this merger for management and investment bankers out there, and they want a great Xmas, and they will keep everything status quo for awhile. Will they then chop everything right afterwards? I don't think the merger will be complete until the end of the year (although they want it expedited), and the busy Spring and Summer seasons are right around the corner. The tough part will be getting through the September--Novemeber time period.


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Have to disagree. The want it done so they can stop the bleeding. Sooner they get the rubber stamp the sooner they can lay us off.
 
Heyas,

You guys have to read between the lines.

This article came out at 609 pm (509pm MSP time), or JUST after the MEC meeting ended for the day. Our own pilots didn't even get the MEC report until 6:16 PM (MSP time)

You're telling me the AP had a reporter sitting outside of a closed MEC meeting just waiting to pigeon hole someone coming out?

Nope. This "news" is a press release, plain and simple. Dollars to donuts says these quotes from the principals were pre-prepared and handed to this guy.

In between the lines says "the NWA MEC made their point clearly". Look for an agreement signed by management by the end of the month.

Nu
 
Have to disagree. The want it done so they can stop the bleeding. Sooner they get the rubber stamp the sooner they can lay us off.

The SLI won't be complete for awhile. The work rule changes for NWA alone will necessitate hiring, or it would be cushion for some DC9 parkings. We are also still getting 777s and 73NGs. If you are convinced that you will lose your job, then keep thinking that way.

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DC-9s

The SLI won't be complete for awhile. The work rule changes for NWA alone will necessitate hiring, or it would be cushion for some DC9 parkings. We are also still getting 777s and 73NGs. If you are convinced that you will lose your job, then keep thinking that way.

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ALL the DC-9s will be in the boneyard within a year, general!

-Layoffs will follow because they will park every single last one of those hunks......
Do the math, moron!
 
ALL the DC-9s will be in the boneyard within a year, general!

-Layoffs will follow because they will park every single last one of those hunks......
Do the math, moron!

Bravo!!!! Another Einstein posting from Jmoney! Thanks for contributing to this discussion.
 
Lee,
I hope to god it does not happen, but given the current economic environment it would be naive not to prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
 
Lee,
I hope to god it does not happen, but given the current economic environment it would be naive not to prepare for the worst and hope for the best.


No doubt you should prepare for the worst. And, things could get worse, and planes could be parked. But look at the big picture---our management wants the politicians to think things will be great. It is tough for them to slash things right now on a large scale---because if they do they will risk spooking the DOJ or any local politican into thinking IT MAY BE BETTER FOR THE TWO AIRLINES NOT TO MERGE AND FEND ON THEIR OWN. That is what our management does NOT want. Yes, they could get the rubber stamp and then do a blitz krieg, but by the time they start doing that, the busy Spring and Summer season will be upon us again. Yes, the DC9s and 742s will be our weak link (regardless of what the NWA guys say). They will eventually go away. The MD88s ARE NOT AS OLD, and have a better CASM, and are currently doing routes that used to be old Song routes. They just don't do as many ATL--TYS's as they used to. When the domestic 767s were thrown to the INTL side, the 757s took their routes, the 738s took the 757 routes, and so on....all the way to the MD88s, which are now doing a hodgepodge of everything, including Roatan and Kingston, along with Song routes down the busy N/S coridoor along the NE. Before gas got sooo high, we actually needed MORE mainline narrowbodies, and we have looked at more MD90s. (Moak let it slip that we are looking at 20 from Saudia) The Delta side does not have a lot of extra planes sitting around, and the 15 that will go this year have leases expiring (which could be renewed---any other MD88 operators out there other than allegiant and Midwest?), or have heavy MX due. But, you are right, it would be best to prepare for anything, because anything could happen..... If the DC9s are about to go, even an arbitrator would know about that....

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God is capitalize in this country. Unless your Obama... then you don't believe in God or put your hand over your heart during the pledge of alliegence

MCCAIN FOR PRES!

You mean George Bush III? I bet airline management is voting for him.


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If you keep bashing the 9s and the 742s maybe your hopes will come true.

Do you really think I WANT the DC9s and 742s parked? I hope they aren't and are replaced with something like sized. With everyone parking older planes, does it worry me? I would think they could be next, wouldn't you? I hope not.

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AMR is taking 737 deliveries to replace their MD-80s as fast as they can afford to. This action should clearly state that the MD-80 is not a good fit in the marketplace at these oil prices.

I think Delta will do the same. They just have other capital intensive projects going on right now like a merger. But make no mistake, having DC-9s and MD-80s at any airline right now is not ideal. Delta certainly will not be acquiring any more!
 
I agree that we will do this, but I am not sure at what rate. We have talked about 60 73N's being on order. 30 for sure. We will wait and see how all of this pans out.
I would love to see more of these.
 
AMR is taking 737 deliveries to replace their MD-80s as fast as they can afford to. This action should clearly state that the MD-80 is not a good fit in the marketplace at these oil prices.

I think Delta will do the same. They just have other capital intensive projects going on right now like a merger. But make no mistake, having DC-9s and MD-80s at any airline right now is not ideal. Delta certainly will not be acquiring any more!

The MD90 is not really an "MD80." Most AA MD80s didn't have any FMS, or probably an autothrottle system. (yes, I think an FMS system was recently fitted into the MD83s at AA). The MD88 is an advanced version of the MD88, and the MD90 has better performance with newer engines. At the price most foreign carriers are selling them, they would be considered a "steal." Have we looked into them recently? Yes. Could they replace old DC9s on certain routes? Maybe. Neither you nor I really know what DL management wants to do, but they trained every MD88 pilot at CVG on the MD90 just in case. But, you can't really equal an MD80 to an MD88 or MD90. That is like saying a 737-200 is the same as a 737-700. They kinda look the same.....


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I think that if DAL management uses it they have a real opportunity here. With the DC-9's paid for they could raise fares on those routes. If the yeild dropped off they can park them quite quickly, or lower the fares. It will allow them to find exactly where the elasticity of demand is. Most carriers will not be able to do that. They cannot risk airplanes not being full, we could. I just hope that they do something like this. It would allow them the ability to see where the real market cap is. Thus, allowing them the ability to know what airframes they need to order for each route.
I know airline management and this is thinking outside the box, but one can hope....
 
I'm confident our guys are smart enough to figure out the tipping point on fares/routes/yields/casm/rasm and all those other big words. Aside from the furloughs that are comming down industry wide I'm looking FORWARD to 65 or 70% load factors and turning a profit at those numbers. Just think at how easy it'll be to non-rev around the system while on furlough! And how easy and stress free the commute to work will be instead of getting stuck in 44b in between two wide bodies stuffing thier faces with fastfood.

The market will right itself, if oil is here to stay at the current levels or higher (which I don't believe it will, $65-70/bbl by November) we will all, those of that are left, return to profitability. However, most of us will not have jobs and several carriers will be gone. The era of cheap tickets for the leisure traveler are GONE and none too soon!
 
In the meantime I am preparing for the worst and hoping for the best. My Christmas wish this year is to still have a job. But I'm not going to stop living, just change the way I'd had things layed out. The house project was just cancelled and a new double wide with polyester curtains and a redwood deck will take it's place. The cars will not be replaced over the next 2 years, we'll keep driving the old ones and I will be doing the maintenance instead of the dealership. We are in yet another new reality and re-alignment of our industry and the sooner we all make adjustments and tough decisions the better off we'll be with the commensurate lower stress level.
 

He believes everything he gets via chain letter. That's what.

Im NO Obama supporter..but it has been proven time and again that the pledge of allegiance issue was untrue....and an airline pilot voting for McCain. Wow.....hell,a PILOT voting for McCain. I heard McCain did dump enough Navy jets to keep McD in business, though.

aaah enough politics. We can do like PBS...CSR? Clear Schedule and Restart this race? :-p
 
If you keep bashing the 9s and the 742s maybe your hopes will come true.

I dont think folks are BASHING the whales. Hell, those would rock going to Europe...DAL is filling 777s with no problem. I heard DAL mgmt wants 74s in ATL. But..folks are thinking they are too exp to operate. IF they are paid for they are cheaper in my book...but for some reason airline mgmt thinks its cheaper to buy new jets that are more efficient...take on extra debt and just push the burden down the road.
 
AMR is taking 737 deliveries to replace their MD-80s as fast as they can afford to. This action should clearly state that the MD-80 is not a good fit in the marketplace at these oil prices.

I think Delta will do the same. They just have other capital intensive projects going on right now like a merger. But make no mistake, having DC-9s and MD-80s at any airline right now is not ideal. Delta certainly will not be acquiring any more!


AA is much different than NWA/DAL. Both NWA/DAL dumped alot of expenses and debt during bankruptcy. Not to mention NWA/DAL also got much more favorable reduced lease rates or no lease payments at all for our aircraft.
 
New article from today.

Delta, Northwest meet over pilot pay issues

June 6, 2008 1:24 PM ET

Executives with Delta Air Lines Inc. met with leaders from Northwest Airlines pilot union Thursday in an effort to solve problems over pay parity between pilots of the airlines as a merger between the two is impending.
According to media reports, leaders for the Air Line Pilots Association, Eagan, Minn.-based Northwest's (NYSE: NWA) pilot union, made it clear that Northwest pilots be paid equally to Delta's when the merger takes affect. The last time the two entities met was in early May, but they were unable to reach an agreement on a contract because of seniority ranking.
Atlanta-based Delta (NSYE: DAL) is poised to propose a phase-in of pay increases for pilots of Northwest pilots to bring them to pay parity over time, the report detailed.
Leaders for Delta's pilots union had negotiated pay raises before the merger was announced in mid-April, while a contract in place for Northwest pilots includes lower wages than Delta.
Delta Chief Financial Officer Ed Bastian, who with the executive council of the Northwest pilots union for the first time, told the Minneapolis Star tribune in an interview, "They expressed their views and I heard them and I understand them," Bastian said in an interview after the session.
Later this month, Delta and Northwest leaders head back to the bargaining table to try and hammer out an agreement.
 

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