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asqmtt said: Here at ASA we have had alot of turnover this last year. Probably 20-30 new dispatch. They just got done with a class a couple of weeks ago, so wait acouple of months and I am sure they will have another. The only downside over here is the pilots contract negotiations. They are refusing ac for minor bs stuff.

ASA had allot of turnover in the last 18 months (lost 14 total - not the mentioned number above). Lost dispatchers to the majors based on the experience of operations ASA provides, which is what the majors look for! The number of dispatchers hired in the last 18 months was 11 - not the stated 20-30. ASA provides good training, ATL living, great flight bennies, good health bennies - if you want to send a resume, send one - be proactive, don't wait for a post on any site!
 
applying to ASA

I tried looking on their web site. No information on dispatch jobs. Not even information on where you can send in a resume for future consideration. What a bummer.
 
For the most part, I say take the job where you can get it. If you're a good dispatcher and you keep your nose clean, you can write your own ticket after 2 years, sometimes less. In the grand scheme of things, that is no time at all to live someplace that isn't your dream destination.

Another strategy that would work is: where do you want to be long-term? If you think for example that you want to live in Florida, you can ask the right questions around here to find out that, say AirTran or Spirit tend to hire dispatchers away from the same 4-5 regionals much of the time. There's your short list.

You've already been warned but it bears repeating - this business is a small town. Everyone knows everyone. One phone call or e-mail from a hiring manager to his drinking buddy can make or break your next job. Even the most talented dispatchers out there couldn't get out of paying their dues. On the other hand I've seen plenty who figured they were too good for where they were, and they worked themselves right out of the industry.
 
Leaders and followers

For the most part, I say take the job where you can get it. If you're a good dispatcher and you keep your nose clean, you can write your own ticket after 2 years, sometimes less. In the grand scheme of things, that is no time at all to live someplace that isn't your dream destination.

Another strategy that would work is: where do you want to be long-term? If you think for example that you want to live in Florida, you can ask the right questions around here to find out that, say AirTran or Spirit tend to hire dispatchers away from the same 4-5 regionals much of the time. There's your short list.

You've already been warned but it bears repeating - this business is a small town. Everyone knows everyone. One phone call or e-mail from a hiring manager to his drinking buddy can make or break your next job. Even the most talented dispatchers out there couldn't get out of paying their dues. On the other hand I've seen plenty who figured they were too good for where they were, and they worked themselves right out of the industry.

I agree with you for the most part (99%), but in this changing world of airlines and cut throat salarys and bennes there are many Dx out there that are just tired of being walked on personally and as a group....Sometimes it only takes a few people to foster changes in the way the HR and Management types think about us, or the future new hires...

There are many syndromes in this business, many attitude of "it's always been done like this" which I feel has contributed greatly to the degradation of the dispatch profession...we all know the dispatch schools will continue to pump up and pump out new licensed dispatchers looking for that 6 figure income at a major airline( Whatever that is anymore) and they know they will have fresh roadkill to abuse and underpay for years, at least thats the way it has always been.....I say it time for these newbies to NOT just take any 121 job that come along.....they need to be educated in the effects they have on their own career and the downstream problems they promote by accepting some of these offers...
Getting back to my original point, I believe there are many current longtime dx'ers that are used to their routine, they paid there dues for a few years under the (current) old way of doing things and this comfort zone tends to make us all followers...followers of the old way, which is is no longer producing the results in pay or progression that we used to have or expected, this is now the bad way for us all. We need a shift in thinking by us and especially the management...
Occasionally these days we hear or see some people that want to effect changes, think outside of the Old box, try to make things better for dispatchers where they work, and even in rare cases for the whole dispatch industry as a whole.....they are not afraid to break the zones of silence, go up against the old way of doing business, ask for a fresh look at better ways, even to their own demise, I call these types the new leaders for change in the dispatch world...I agree some are bad, but many are really good people.

We all know changes are going to happen sooner or later, these people are trying to be apart of how these changes are formed, it may not ever help them in their careers, it may even end their career but maybe it will help the future of those coming....and for those of us that have a long way to go to retirement...I for one applaud them for there moxie It really ashame more don't get on board in this direction.....I am guilty as well....JMHO
 
As with all things, the right move for you depends on your goals. What are your goals. Then maybe we can provide advice.
 
.........goals

My goal in short is to work for a major airline and be "stable." Whatever that is, right?
I'm tired of moving from place to place, and I'd really like to be making enough money to "settle down" somewhere so my wife and I can start our family.
 
Have you thought about a 121 CARGO carrier. The pay at these airlines is usually slightly better than regionals and you can get heavyjet experience...

You might want to look at places like ATI, Kallita, Centurion,Polar, World, Gemini,Evergreen etc..... Some of these carriers might overlook no 121 exp. if you WOW them in the interview, and some will take anybody with a pulse. I won't lie to you, they are not places you want to stay long term, but a good stepping stone.

A cargo job could lead to UPS or FEDEX. Personally I would rather work cargo it is more stable.

They are also a good way to get International experience, wich always looks good on a resume....
 
.....cargo

Yes, I have thought about it.
Usually though these cargo companies are located in either places I really have no desire to live, or the cost of living is extremely high for what they pay is. I think Gemini is in Dulles, and I can't afford to live there.
 
There are alot of small cargo carriers in MIA. I believe ATI is in MCI. And Evergreen is in Oregon, a small town, Kallita is in Yipsilanti MI.... Polar and Atlas are New York and you are right Gemini is in Dulles, but I believe World is in a suburb of ATL. You don't have to live 5 minutes from work, I have commuted at least an hour for most of my 13 yr career in the airlines....
 
Just took a quick look!


Evergreen, in Mcminnville Oregon.
World Airways
Kallita Air
Miami Air
Ryan Air in RFD IL

These places are all hiring crew sked... Kallita is hiring a flight follower. It is a way in, if you can hack it you can probably get into DX.. Or just keep an eye out, all these companies periodically hire dispatchers...
 
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well I'd ultimately like to live in places where my wife will be able to find teaching work fairly easily.....so Texas, and Florida would be perfect for us since their populations are exploding and they are in desperate need of teachers. I tried applying for Airtan and was sent an email saying after consideration that I was not going to be selected as a candidate...probably because of my low experience. I have put in for ExpressJet and American Eagle, but no word from them yet.
 
well I'd ultimately like to live in places where my wife will be able to find teaching work fairly easily.....so Texas, and Florida would be perfect for us since their populations are exploding and they are in desperate need of teachers. I tried applying for Airtan and was sent an email saying after consideration that I was not going to be selected as a candidate...probably because of my low experience. I have put in for ExpressJet and American Eagle, but no word from them yet.

Thats the ticket!!! Make the old lady bring in the money....Nothing beats being a stay at home dad...except maybe a stay at home dad without any kids!!!!
 

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