DISCUSS - practice real in-flight engine shutdowns or use sim ?

[satpak77]

Ok, this has come up. Yes, it is a 500 year old topic but it came back up at my place.

Scenario: King Air 200 Pt 91 company with more than one aircraft. FlightSafety for annual recurrent.

Company has a policy that you go out in the actual plane with a senior pilot who is designated internally as a check pilot, and basically do an annual checkride. This includes in-flight engine shutdown and relight, to "make sure you see it in the real plane"

Some new management is in town and this real engine shut-down policy may be sh1t-canned.

Discuss, why, why not, etc should this be kept, cancelled, etc. What are you guys doing out there ?

Intelligent discussion please....

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Wasn't there a 1900 operator that crashed doing this many yrs ago? (80's)

Maybe I'm not recalling correctly.

 

[JAFI]

Wasn't there a 1900 operator that crashed doing this many yrs ago? (80's)

Maybe I'm not recalling correctly.

Are you thinking of this accident?

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19911228-0

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Are you thinking of this accident?

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19911228-0

Yep. BizEx.

 

[JAFI]

Nevermind

 

[CA1900]

If you have a full-motion simulator for recurrents, I see very little to be gained (and a lot to be lost) by doing real engine shutdowns in the plane. I wouldn't press to keep the policy, no.

 

[JAFI]

Your insurance company might have something to say about practice engine shut downs and relights in a king air.

 

[TMMT]

I think experiencing one for real under controlled circumstances is invaluable, but I agree the Insurance Co will stroke twice and have a small litter of kittens if they find out.

 

[pilotyip]

you are teasing the tiger any time you actually shut sown in flight. In the old days, the military has killed lots of pilots with actual shutdowns improperly conducted, conducted in marginal conditions, etc. Modern sims give you all the experience you need on relight. BTW Of course saying all that in the P-3 we shutdown engines in flight as a routine operation. But not in the landing pattern

 

[75 Driver]

Here is the thing, with sharp folks functioning on the same page it seems like a no-brainer.

With a little gap in communication and a reaction not anticipated it turns into a no-brainer the other way.

Is this not why a Sim is such a good tool. The answer would be to get the manager checked out to conduct his own sim exercise if the company has things they want to see beyond the scope of a training center.