DFW takes SWA to task because of Denver

[ivauir]

iI think 26 years later is too late to complain about it..

And we feel that 26 years is too long to let a bad law stand.

 

[ivauir]

The taxpayers ought to close Love Field and tell SWA to pound sand and operate out of DFW just like everyone else. SW justs wants it's private airport at taxpayer expense.

Hey, why not? AA got one!

 

[Tejas-Jet]

The taxpayers ought to close Love Field and tell SWA to pound sand and operate out of DFW just like everyone else. SW justs wants it's private airport at taxpayer expense.

Did it ever occur to you that the taxpayers of Dallas just might want to keep Love Field open? How about all the taxes that SWA pays the city of Dallas? You suggesting that the taxpayers give up that too....OK, so who will make up that shortfall? The taxpayers?

I believe that the cities of Dallas, Ft.Worth and the then named "Regional Airport Board" together sued SWA to force them to move to DFW back in the late 70's/early 80's. Went all the way through the court system. SWA won their case at every level.

Tejas

 

[FlyinHigh737]

The taxpayers ought to close Love Field and tell SWA to pound sand and operate out of DFW just like everyone else. SW justs wants it's private airport at taxpayer expense.

Draginass, I put you in pink because you live in a world of make believe. Are you so naive to think that SWA has not investigated the DFW move or even considered the AA stronghold that is present there? Geez, I have read post after post that give examples of the business practices of AA, they are a fierce competitors. SWA makes sound decisions base on making money, however if you can show them how to make money, expand and maintain there outstanding service I am sure they will listen. But, I believe you will need something more quantitative then sand making, just no market!!! Please, next time think before you type.

 

[350DRIVER]

Whats wrong with it is Southwest has lived under the Wright Ammendment for years, and never said a word. Only that they are the dominant carrier in the country do they want to change it. Frankly Southwest got a bit of a free ride at LUV all these years. If the Wright Ammendment was cancled ten years ago, AA would have come into LUV and crushed Southwest. They know it and they chose to live under it. I think its very hypocritical to want to change it now.

They did and now they don't want to hold up their end of the bargain so they can better suit their own agenda, this likely will be shot down dead in it's tracks. They can lobby until he!! freezes over, including the corny "homemade" and ultra personal signage, maps, etc, in the gate area(s), likely won't make a difference other than reinforcing to many why they avoid SWA. It is beyond hypocritical, a tad comical in more ways than one and if you have the chance check out the SW gates in PIT, they are more than a tad comical, I have to laugh everytime I pass the gate areas there. I wouldn't lose much sleep over this one, this likely will not go SWA's way no matter how much courting Herby and company do in the near future.

I think 26 years later is too late to complain about it. However, I agree, you are responsible to your shareholders, no one else. I don't fault you for pursuing this. I will, however, fault the government if they change the rules now.

I would fault the gov't as well if they change this but they likely aren't going to do this, no reason to do so. It is too late to complain but again they soon will be back at square 1 when this is shot down so why worry or lose any sleep over this?.

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[jwes]

This is how I look at it

Like anyone cares, I fly for American Eagle I want whats best for AA; Although, I have my B-737 type and would love to get on with SWA. If that ever happens I would hope that SWA gets what they want.

The rule was implemented to get all the carriers over to the new airport, at that time in the 70's if SWA did go over to DFW, AA would have tried everything in thier power to squash them on that level field.

In the long run its just about who will get there way and hopefully it will be the side I'm on.

 

[OffHot]

So 350Driver, why should the WA not be retired?

 

[jball2]

350- IF it fails it fails but if we win are you going to cry?

 

[350DRIVER]

350- IF it fails it fails but if we win are you going to cry?

In all honesty, I truly could care less, no sleep will be lost on this end but I highly doubt you are going to get your way here. Am I going to cry?!?!?!. Hardly, but the odds surely are stacked against you and I am one of many that is not buying into the propaganda that ya'll are trying to sell off. A better question, are you going to cry if it fails and claim you got such the short end of the stick?.

 

[canyonblue]

After a short hiatus I see the resident Anti-SWA anything jacka$$ 350 is back. uke:

 

[Jim Smyth]

Well the numbers on this deal certainly make ol Herb and Gary look rather silly.

Same guy always stiring the Southwest Pot. Why dont you go on vacation for a while or just go away period!

 

[lowecur]

Same guy always stiring the Southwest Pot. Why dont you go on vacation for a while or just go away period!

I'm the straw that stirs the drink, Jimmy!

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Well the numbers on this deal certainly make ol Herb and Gary look rather silly.

:smash:

Its just the DFW spin masters that look silly.

The debate has reached ridiculous speed. You miss the whole point. DFW is a larger market and markets their size have 2 or more major airports with passenger service.

There is no good reason to restrict North Texas to one airport. It's not strictly a zero sum game. DFW and even AA will easily survive the repeal. North Texas, I'm predicting, will have an economic boom related from the repeal that will float all boats, even DFW's and AA's.

 

[koko nw]

North Texas, I'm predicting, will have an economic boom related from the repeal that will float all boats, even DFW's and AA's.

Economic boom for North Texas???.... A bit over the top wouldn't you say.
SWA's will certainly benefit, AA...yea right.

But joe blow north texan and it's economy....BOOM?

Hardly, SWA's ability to fly long haul from love will not equate to a Boom for North Texas. It will benefit YOU...and your bottom line, and please none of this "we'll save the consumer XXX amount of monies from those nasty price gougers", that argument is disingenuous and tiring....Honestly, would you be saying that if you were hired by a legacy? I thought so.

Cheers

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Economic boom for North Texas???.... A bit over the top wouldn't you say.
SWA's will certainly benefit, AA...yea right.

But joe blow north texan and it's economy....BOOM?

Hardly, SWA's ability to fly long haul from love will not equate to a Boom for North Texas. It will benefit YOU...and your bottom line, and please none of this "we'll save the consumer XXX amount of monies from those nasty price gougers", that argument is disingenuous and tiring....Honestly, would you be saying that if you were hired by a legacy? I thought so.

Cheers

Yes, a boom. It may take a little while but it will happen. That is what competition breeds. I have a 2-3 year outlook. Allowing DFW to continue to dictate fees and authorize huge projects with no checks or balances will cause their fees to continue to rise. DFW is not fighting for survival, they are fighting for total control over their destiny. I don't want to give them the room to continue to flex their arrogant attitude.

If I worked for AA I would be upset at the BK protection my competitors are getting. I would wish for a SWA like management/employee relationship. I would like everyone to fly out of the airport my business model demands. I, of course, would try to force everyone to come to DFW so AA could put them out of business. What's your point?

I don't expect you to like the truth of the logic. But if you just want to spew out opinions contrary to logic and claim it is sound, I will point that out.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

C'mon folks. Do all you Wright supporters really buy all the BS DFW management puts out? Tell me its not insulting to your intelligence.

And be honest. As an originating passenger, do you prefer DFW's layout or Love's layout? As a connecting passenger, tell me DFW doesn't make you crazy if you need to get to another terminal.

 

[SKC]

As a connecting passenger, tell me DFW doesn't make you crazy if you need to get to another terminal.

While I'm not a DFW apologist, the Skylink train at DFW has made things 1000% easier to transit between terminals than the old airport train.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

While I'm not a DFW apologist, the Skylink train at DFW has made things 1000% easier to transit between terminals than the old airport train.

Apparently I am out of date, I haven't been to DFW in awhile. All I remember is the old train.

 

[koko nw]

Yes, a boom. It may take a little while but it will happen. That is what competition breeds. I have a 2-3 year outlook. Allowing DFW to continue to dictate fees and authorize huge projects with no checks or balances will cause their fees to continue to rise. DFW is not fighting for survival, they are fighting for total control over their destiny. I don't want to give them the room to continue to flex their arrogant attitude.

Like what you guy's do at LUV? But it's OK for you guy's right? Because SWA's is the the benevolent carrier.


If I worked for AA I would be upset at the BK protection my competitors are getting. I would wish for a SWA like management/employee relationship. I would like everyone to fly out of the airport my business model demands. I, of course, would try to force everyone to come to DFW so AA could put them out of business. What's your point?

My point is you have SWA's blinders on. You should check in the mirror to see who has the arrogant attitude. But your dead on accurate on the mgt/employee relationship, theirs none better.


I don't expect you to like the truth of the logic. But if you just want to spew out opinions contrary to logic and claim it is sound, I will point that out.

Whatever dude, your logic? Again please explain how N. Texas economy will BOOM 2-3 years from now?

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Like what you guy's do at LUV? But it's OK for you guy's right? Because SWA's is the the benevolent carrier.

My point is you have SWA's blinders on. You should check in the mirror to see who has the arrogant attitude. But your dead on accurate on the mgt/employee relationship, theirs none better.

Whatever dude, your logic? Again please explain how N. Texas economy will BOOM 2-3 years from now?

If AA keeps the long haul monopoly at DFW fares will go up more than if Love gets to do long haul. Higher fares = fewer passengers. Fewer passengers = fewer airplanes and less money to be made by vendors, hotels, etc. More passengers = more revenue for both aviation and other industries in North Texas. Some would call this the Southwest effect.

I would love to see higher fares. They are going up too slowly and should be higher because of fuel prices. I would love for the hub and spoke guys to be making money along with Southwest, Airtran, Continental and Alaska. If oil were just a little lower AA would be making money. Then cost cutting would stop and non-fuel CASMs would stop falling. But one problem with fares rising too high or too quickly would be reduced travel. That I don't want to see. The hub and spoke guys are getting more and more efficient as SWA fuel hedges are starting to become less of a factor. SWA already announced fuel costs will be $400 million more next year. Some say $500 million. Cost cutting is around the corner for Southwest. Without it I predict at least one quarterly loss unless fares rise or fuel retreats in 2006.

There is a balance out there where hub and spoke and LCCs can both make money. I wish we would find it and stay there. But I fear the pendulum will swing when international flying can subsidize domestic flying again. Then there is that 100 seater thing that I predict will come to some or all of the big carriers. Low cost 100 seater operators will challenge the LCCs and swing the pendulum back toward those that have them and international flying.

But I don't think arrogant airport management types will help any of us. Its like dealing with the government.

You think I'm arrogant?? You don't know me very well. I am looking in the mirror. The rearview mirror that is.