Details of the DAL TA Here

[Iflyamouse]

Since the other DAL TA thread has been hijacked by a flight instructor, if you have real details about the DAL TA please post them here.

 

[800Dog]

Since the other DAL TA thread has been hijacked by a flight instructor, if you have real details about the DAL TA please post them here.

You are going to have to wait about one week to get an accurate response.

 

[kevdog]

Since the other DAL TA thread has been hijacked by a flight instructor, if you have real details about the DAL TA please post them here.

Where's Rhoid?

 

[UPSer]

Where's Rhoid?

I'm sure he's lurking somewhere.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

I think $159,000 is more then enough money for those over paid mainline guys! They need to stop whining and realize that flight instructors are..... ah I can't even keep a straight face. JUST KIDDING GUYS!

So does anyone know if DAL got to keep the Scope? I am getting nervous that if they gave it away I will never get to escape from the regional scene.

 

[amcnd]

Let's take a vote.

1. They gave up scope.
2. They gave up pay.
3. they gave up both scope and pay.

 

[ohplease!]

Let's take a vote.

1. They gave up scope.
2. They gave up pay.
3. they gave up both scope and pay.

#1.....

 

[79%N1]

#1.....

Well, then I think it is safe to say Gen Lee will be voting no. And 50.1% of the rest of the Delta pilots. At least I've learned something on these boards!

 

[flx757]

I'm sure he's lurking somewhere.

You, of all people, should know EXACTLY where "he" is.

 

[Going2Baja]

So does anyone know if DAL got to keep the Scope? I am getting nervous that if they gave it away I will never get to escape from the regional scene.

At least ONE regional pilot "Gets it!!!"

Baja.

 

[freightdogfred]

You, of all people, should know EXACTLY where "he" is.

Attaboy Gordo...you outted him again. He thinks he's so coy with all these usernames... I've decided to start bumping some of these brown jumpseaters who don't seem to know basic courtesy...I'll bet I catch him by accident.

 

[Hardcorr]

A few tidbits have leaked out. No more pay cuts than we've already taken. Some snapbacks in pay with productivity triggers. Post bankruptcy stock. A small number of 76 seaters for DCI. Will come on line with increased productivity. Alpa proposed sick leave changes. Thats all I can remember for now. Remember these are just sketchy details.

Mike

Southwest bound next month

 

[michael707767]

A few tidbits have leaked out. No more pay cuts than we've already taken. Some snapbacks in pay with productivity triggers. Post bankruptcy stock. A small number of 76 seaters for DCI. Will come on line with increased productivity. Alpa proposed sick leave changes. Thats all I can remember for now. Remember these are just sketchy details.

Mike

Southwest bound next month

whats your source? Must be pretty good cause thats about exactly what I heard from a very good source.

 

[No Delay]

Originally Posted by 79%N1
Well, then I think it is safe to say Gen Lee will be voting no. And 50.1% of the rest of the Delta pilots. At least I've learned something on these boards!

That's funny! I was thinking the exact same thing.

Call me crazy, but I swear I think I read that somewhere.

I bet he has that line programed as a hot key.


On a serious note: Glad to hear about the TA. Best of luck to all you Delta folks!

 

[atlcrashpad]

I for one am glad the Delta guys stood their ground. Now the rest of us need to do the same. Management can smell blood in the water, fight and take a stand. It is your life, your career do something about it.

 

[amcnd]

Small amount af 76 seaters? Whats Small, DCI has over 500 RJ's! 10%? 18%?

 

[Turtlesfly]

Well since Sep 2001 your stock has gone down from 42 dollars to 63 cents. I bet that motivates you to take any more concessions.

 

[anon]

Small amount af 76 seaters? Whats Small, DCI has over 500 RJ's! 10%? 18%?

My bet? 17.

Another bet? ASA will start service with the 900/705 in Aug 2006.

Congratulations DAL pilots. If you guys were able to pull this off without another paycut, you did win.

 

[General Lee]

If this TA does include 76 seaters for DCI, I will vote no. I wonder if the 76 seater issue is a part of a possible NW merger, thanks to their 76 seater TA?





Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[johnsonrod]

A few tidbits have leaked out. No more pay cuts than we've already taken. Some snapbacks in pay with productivity triggers. Post bankruptcy stock. A small number of 76 seaters for DCI. Will come on line with increased productivity. Alpa proposed sick leave changes. Thats all I can remember for now. Remember these are just sketchy details.

Mike

Southwest bound next month

Sure seems like they went for the senior pilot issues (pension, etc.) and not those issues that would impact the majority of the pilots over the long term...

From this small bit of information, it sounds like the ALPA negotiators are continuing to be pu$$ies and not enforcing the wishes of the 95% of Delta pilots who voted for strike authorization. Where's the long-term thinking? If the eventual details outline big scope changes, I'll bet a STRIKE is still likely...

 

[BID]

Read in the New York Times this morning that NWA is worried Delta Management did not secure enough concessions. If true, this would put pressure on their TA (NWA) and another possible round of talks could be possible. The article also mentioned how exit financing could be more difficult if there were not enough labor concessions, etc. at Delta Airlines.

 

[ArtVandalay]

Why do you Delta guys care if they fly 76 or 90 seaters? They already fly your long routes in a 50 seater..

 

[johnsonrod]

Why do you Delta guys care if they fly 76 or 90 seaters? They already fly your long routes in a 50 seater..

I read there are 475 Delta pilots still on furlough. When will they return? How about J4J left seats in any proposed additional E170s, etc. just like at USAirways with Mesa and PSA?

I suppose the 90 seaters are close enough to the 100 seaters at Jet Blue and now at USAirways/AWA, so, the Delta guys should obviously be flying those as well - hopefully not at the same low rates... Better to get the mainline guys into those 90-100 seaters now than never...

 

[zonker]

Read in the New York Times this morning that NWA is worried Delta Management did not secure enough concessions. If true, this would put pressure on their TA (NWA) and another possible round of talks could be possible. The article also mentioned how exit financing could be more difficult if there were not enough labor concessions, etc. at Delta Airlines.

April 15, 2006

Delta and Pilots Reach Agreement on Pay

By JEFF BAILEY
Delta Air Lines and the union representing its 6,000 pilots reached a tentative agreement on pay concessions yesterday, averting a threatened strike that could have driven the carrier, which is already operating in bankruptcy, out of business.
Neither the company nor the pilots' union would disclose terms of the agreement. Delta had last asked for $305 million in annual pay cuts and the union had offered $140 million. The pilots made $1 billion in annual concessions in 2004. But rising fuel prices and increased competition deepened Delta's problems, sending it into Chapter 11 bankruptcy last September.
An arbitration panel had been scheduled to rule by today on Delta's motion in bankruptcy court to have the pilots' contract set aside and allow the airline to impose new wages and benefits. The pilots had vowed to walk off the job if the contract was voided.
Negotiations heated up earlier this week and intensified as the deadline approached, with the tentative agreement finally coming together yesterday morning.
Earlier this week, the pilots' union received $10 million from its parent group to prepare for a strike starting on Monday.
The agreement should help Delta reassure and win back travelers, some of whom have said they were avoiding the airline in anticipation of a strike.
"Delta passengers can continue to book on Delta with confidence," Edward H. Bastian, the chief financial officer of the airline, said in a statement. "There has been no disruption to our service. Our pilots are performing professionally, flying as scheduled, and together with all Delta employees, are taking good care of our customers."
While a strike could have resulted in Delta's liquidation and dealt a severe blow to the economy of Atlanta, where the airline is based, and the Southeast region, where it dominates air traffic, the settlement could pose new problems for the industry.
Northwest Airlines, in particular, has become concerned that Delta management would agree to terms less onerous to pilots than those Northwest reached with its pilots, potentially leading to an effort by Northwest pilots to reopen talks. Northwest is also in bankruptcy.
"A concessionary pilot contract that falls well short of what management had sought could cause friction between the pilots and other employees, and make it more difficult for Delta to attract financing to exit bankruptcy," said Philip Baggaley, an airline analyst at Standard & Poor's in New York. "In addition, such an outcome would encourage other employee groups to join unions to improve their bargaining position in future contract talks."
Gerald Grinstein, chief executive of Delta, praised negotiators in a recorded message to employees yesterday for reaching "an agreement that is good for Delta." The agreement is subject to ratification by pilots and approval of the bankruptcy court.
"If it all comes together, we are on track to emerge from bankruptcy next year," Mr. Grinstein said in the message.
The Air Line Pilots Association, which represents pilots at both carriers, and Delta both said they would not disclose terms of the agreement until pilots hear them.
Pilots are the only major worker group at Delta Airlines represented by a union but they are not the only employee group with which Delta has been negotiating cuts.
Flight attendants at the company's regional Comair unit, a small group represented by the Teamsters union, are threatening to strike if the bankruptcy court agrees to the airline's request that their contract be voided. Judge Adlai S. Hardin of United States Bankruptcy Court in Manhattan could rule by Monday on a company proposal to cut the attendants' pay and benefits by $8.9 million a year.
Vikas Bajaj contributed reporting for this article.

 

[BID]

Thanks,

 

[81Horse]

Read in the New York Times this morning that NWA is worried Delta Management did not secure enough concessions. If true, this would put pressure on their TA (NWA) and another possible round of talks could be possible.

Good.