Designated Pilot's Examiner's Handbook

[Iceman21]

<div class="bbWrapper">I probably should have searched before posting this, but as of December 2004, DPE&#039;s have new rules that affect the way tests for certification are handled.<br /> <br /> There have been some very interesting changes including the changing of the words &quot;shall&quot; to &quot;must&quot;. <br /> <br /> Here the link to the new book <a href="http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library%5CrgOrders.nsf/0/7F85CD99697AA59D86256F700076ED32?OpenDocument" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulator...7F85CD99697AA59D86256F700076ED32?OpenDocument</a><br /> <br /> I would make this required reading for anyone taking a flight test.</div>

 

[A Squared]

<div class="bbWrapper">I don&#039;t know what other changes are in the works, but changing &quot;shall&quot; to &quot;must&quot; is completely trivial. &quot;Shall&quot; is imperative, it means &quot;must&quot; Substituting &quot;must&quot; for &quot;shall&quot; doesn&#039;t change the meaning in the least. Presumably the FAA believes that must is more readily understood than shall, but it means the exact same thing.</div>

 

[Iceman21]

<div class="bbWrapper">&quot;Must&quot; carries a bit more strength than &quot;shall&quot;<br /> <br /> The point being that DPE&#039;s now have stricter guidlines in which to conduct a test for certification.</div>

 

[A Squared]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="Iceman21" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> Iceman21 said: </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> &quot;Must&quot; carries a bit more strength than &quot;shall&quot;<br /> The point being that DPE&#039;s now have stricter guidlines in which to conduct a test for certification. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <br /> No, this is not true, not even a little bit. Look in part 1 under rules of construction. <br /> <br /> &quot;1.3(a)(1) Shall is used in an imperative sense.&quot; <br /> <br /> You will also find shall defined as imperative in any law dictionary you pick up. Shall is imperative. there is no &quot;wiggle room&quot; in an imperative. There is no less wiggle room in &quot;must&quot;. Must is not &quot;more imperative&quot;. Changing Shall to must does not change the meaning or intent in the slightest.</div>

 

[midlifeflyer]

<div class="bbWrapper">Yeah, but DPEs aren&#039;t lawyers and &quot;must&quot; =sounds= more imperative than &quot;shall.&quot; <br /> <br /> Compare, &quot;I shall go to the bathroom now&quot; with &quot;I must go to the bathroom now.&quot; Which one will get you out of my way faster?<br /> <br /> There&#039;s a semantic difference that may have a practical meaning even if not a regulatory one.</div>

 

[A Squared]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="midlifeflyer" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> midlifeflyer said: </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Yeah, but DPEs aren&#039;t lawyers and &quot;must&quot; =sounds= more imperative than &quot;shall.&quot; <br /> <br /> Compare, &quot;I shall go to the bathroom now&quot; with &quot;I must go to the bathroom now.&quot; Which one will get you out of my way faster?<br /> <br /> There&#039;s a semantic difference that may have a practical meaning even if not a regulatory one. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <br /> Yeah, I agree, I alluded to that with my comment about it being more readily understood. They haven&#039;t changed the meaning, they are just trying to make the *same* meaning more understandable.</div>

 

[NewBlue]

<div class="bbWrapper">Sounds like someone in Fed-land is trying to justify their position..going through the manuals and changing the &quot;happies&quot; to &quot;glads.&quot;<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes :rolleyes:" data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></div>

 

[JAFI]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="NewBlue" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> NewBlue said: </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Sounds like someone in Fed-land is trying to justify their position..going through the manuals and changing the &quot;happies&quot; to &quot;glads.&quot;<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes :rolleyes:" data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <br /> <span style="color: black">A classic example of you get complaints if you do and complaints if you don&#039;t. The Examiners hand book has been out for a while and needed revision and clarification, more than a couple words. People complained that it needed revision. When it gets revised, SOME people complain it is to justify someone’s position. </span><br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> JAFI</div>