Delta

[Ninja]

This is probably the biggest week in the history of Delta Airlines--yet there are no posts...are the moderator police being overly intimidated by the lawyers? (I will not call them attorneys...it sounds too civilized!)

 

[Ramp Agent]

The Aviation Business from someone who has been thru it Thanks Delta!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a long post so if you don't want to read it move on:

I started airline thing in Jan of 1995 as a security guard at ORD in the parking garage walking dogs I would see the airplanes flying overhead and said "Hey I want to be involved in that!" , I took a job at Great Lakes Airlines at ORD.

Great Lakes Airlines was not the best airline, nor did it pay a lot ($6.00/hr if I recall) but it was a fun job. I worked the 6a-2:30pm shift, it was nice to load the Beechcraft 1900 C,D models and then the Brasilia. Wow I can remember cold days at ORD, but all in all the job was fun. One thing I learned from that job was that the airlines are a family.



After leaving Great Lakes in Mar of 1998 I got the brilliant idea of going to school at the ATA Maintenance Academy in IND. Hey I was going to be a mechanic!!!! After less than 1 year there I dropped out. Why you ask? Well the things that were being taught had nothing to do with what really goes on in the real world. I am not going to change a tire by myself ATA WAKE UP!!!! But to tell you the truth what persuaded me to stop the whole MX route was I got a P/T job in the hanger at ATA looking at this same L-1011 for the year that I worked there. I said hey this is not for me. But what I learned was is that the airlines are a family.



Before leaving IND I got a job as a parts clerk at CHQ, now that was a fun job staring at the same old part all day long. No TV no radio just parts A/C parts. But what did I learn you guessed it the airlines are a family.

Since I left Great Lakes on good terms I was accepted back I worked there for another 2 years before getting a wonderful job at Southwest Airlines, so I thought. After 2 interviews I got hired as a ramp agent at MDW, making 7.00/hr after a year I made 7.50hr. We loaded 7 737's in a single shift, oh I still got my 1/2 and 15 min breaks but that by far is the hardest ramp work you will ever do. But why did I leave SWA? This is why the union sucks!!!!!! They have this rule at SWA that says they can mandatory you to work up to 7 1/2 hours after your assigned shift and then you have to come back in the am for your shift. Being low on the seniority list this happened many times over the course of a year. I worked am shift so I had thanksgiving eve off, no I don't think so got junior-ed per say, with my family standing outside waiting for me, thanks SWA. Oh this happened Christmas as well. Why did I have to work cause a senior person on the night shift called in sick. But one thing I learned was that the airlines are a family, you roll with the punches.



So after the hard labor at SWA I got hired as a Parts Manager at U.F.S. (United Feeder Service) at ORD. That job lasted about 6 months before Air Wisconsin bought us out. That was a fun job as well, learned a lot. One thing I learned was don't fly an airplane that there are only 10 of in the United States, we flew the British Aerospace ATP.



When UFS closed I got a job as a ramp agent at Continental at ORD, I quit in a week. It is something about using a school bus as a break room in 20 below weather at ORD.......Yeah it was pretty cold for 6.25/hr 20 hours a week.

Then I got the job of a lifetime working for the wonderful Delta Airlines at ORD, I must say I WAS impressed with the ORD operation, and finally working on big planes. I graduated from a ramp agent to a Aircraft Load Agent and then a Tower Agent in less than a year. Great group of guys there, my first day in the bin at DL my trainer told me you will amount to nothing in this industry. Well after learning all I could at ORD I transfered to ATL the mecca of Delta. Well got treated even worse down there. 9/11 happened and got laid off in ATL. Not a lot of jobs in ATL just Airtran, and for some reason they don't like DL folk. But remember the airlines are a family.



Well after going a month unemployed got a job loading planes for the federal reserve bank in ATL. That was a good job I enjoyed it, but once airlines are in your blood you can't do anything else can you?


Moved back to MDW and got a job working for Comair (owned by DL) worked ramp up there until I got a job at CVG. Comair is a wonderful company to work for, best one I have ever worked for. Well a year down the road here comes DL. Comair we are going to take 30 of your planes, cut your pay and lay you off. WHAT!!!!!!!!!! Yeah cause we own you. They sold ASA which was the best thing that could have happened to them. What happened to that wonderful company I worked for at ORD, well DL is contracting it. Then they go into bankruptcy OH made how much for DL last year? Yeah no one knows DL took all that.


So now after 10 years in this industry and many jobs later I am forced to take a pay cut and in danger of losing my job. Thanks DL. So now I hear that the DL pilots may force the company to liquidate, because they don't want to take a pay cut. Well hmm NWA,AA, and every other airline that wants to survive has taken one why not DL? Do you remember Eastern? Guess not.


In my opinion the DL pilots are not looking out for the countless number of other people in the DL family that will be affected by this, they are only thinking of themselves. But remember the airlines are a family. Well you are not taking care of home.

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[Draginass]

They've already taken a pay cut, bud.

I don't know where you go the idea that the airline biz is "family", but it took me about a day and a half in this industry to figure out that the company is going to screw you anyway they can, and your fellow "union" brothers will too.

 

[Chuck Yogourt]

This is a long post so if you don't want to read it move on:

I started airline thing in Jan of 1995 as a security guard at ORD in the parking garage walking dogs I would see the airplanes flying overhead and said "Hey I want to be involved in that!" , I took a job at Great Lakes Airlines at ORD.

Great Lakes Airlines was not the best airline, nor did it pay a lot ($6.00/hr if I recall) but it was a fun job. I worked the 6a-2:30pm shift, it was nice to load the Beechcraft 1900 C,D models and then the Brasilia. Wow I can remember cold days at ORD, but all in all the job was fun. One thing I learned from that job was that the airlines are a family.



After leaving Great Lakes in Mar of 1998 I got the brilliant idea of going to school at the ATA Maintenance Academy in IND. Hey I was going to be a mechanic!!!! After less than 1 year there I dropped out. Why you ask? Well the things that were being taught had nothing to do with what really goes on in the real world. I am not going to change a tire by myself ATA WAKE UP!!!! But to tell you the truth what persuaded me to stop the whole MX route was I got a P/T job in the hanger at ATA looking at this same L-1011 for the year that I worked there. I said hey this is not for me. But what I learned was is that the airlines are a family.



Before leaving IND I got a job as a parts clerk at CHQ, now that was a fun job staring at the same old part all day long. No TV no radio just parts A/C parts. But what did I learn you guessed it the airlines are a family.

Since I left Great Lakes on good terms I was accepted back I worked there for another 2 years before getting a wonderful job at Southwest Airlines, so I thought. After 2 interviews I got hired as a ramp agent at MDW, making 7.00/hr after a year I made 7.50hr. We loaded 7 737's in a single shift, oh I still got my 1/2 and 15 min breaks but that by far is the hardest ramp work you will ever do. But why did I leave SWA? This is why the union sucks!!!!!! They have this rule at SWA that says they can mandatory you to work up to 7 1/2 hours after your assigned shift and then you have to come back in the am for your shift. Being low on the seniority list this happened many times over the course of a year. I worked am shift so I had thanksgiving eve off, no I don't think so got junior-ed per say, with my family standing outside waiting for me, thanks SWA. Oh this happened Christmas as well. Why did I have to work cause a senior person on the night shift called in sick. But one thing I learned was that the airlines are a family, you roll with the punches.



So after the hard labor at SWA I got hired as a Parts Manager at U.F.S. (United Feeder Service) at ORD. That job lasted about 6 months before Air Wisconsin bought us out. That was a fun job as well, learned a lot. One thing I learned was don't fly an airplane that there are only 10 of in the United States, we flew the British Aerospace ATP.



When UFS closed I got a job as a ramp agent at Continental at ORD, I quit in a week. It is something about using a school bus as a break room in 20 below weather at ORD.......Yeah it was pretty cold for 6.25/hr 20 hours a week.

Then I got the job of a lifetime working for the wonderful Delta Airlines at ORD, I must say I WAS impressed with the ORD operation, and finally working on big planes. I graduated from a ramp agent to a Aircraft Load Agent and then a Tower Agent in less than a year. Great group of guys there, my first day in the bin at DL my trainer told me you will amount to nothing in this industry. Well after learning all I could at ORD I transfered to ATL the mecca of Delta. Well got treated even worse down there. 9/11 happened and got laid off in ATL. Not a lot of jobs in ATL just Airtran, and for some reason they don't like DL folk. But remember the airlines are a family.



Well after going a month unemployed got a job loading planes for the federal reserve bank in ATL. That was a good job I enjoyed it, but once airlines are in your blood you can't do anything else can you?


Moved back to MDW and got a job working for Comair (owned by DL) worked ramp up there until I got a job at CVG. Comair is a wonderful company to work for, best one I have ever worked for. Well a year down the road here comes DL. Comair we are going to take 30 of your planes, cut your pay and lay you off. WHAT!!!!!!!!!! Yeah cause we own you. They sold ASA which was the best thing that could have happened to them. What happened to that wonderful company I worked for at ORD, well DL is contracting it. Then they go into bankruptcy OH made how much for DL last year? Yeah no one knows DL took all that.


So now after 10 years in this industry and many jobs later I am forced to take a pay cut and in danger of losing my job. Thanks DL. So now I hear that the DL pilots may force the company to liquidate, because they don't want to take a pay cut. Well hmm NWA,AA, and every other airline that wants to survive has taken one why not DL? Do you remember Eastern? Guess not.


In my opinion the DL pilots are not looking out for the countless number of other people in the DL family that will be affected by this, they are only thinking of themselves. But remember the airlines are a family. Well you are not taking care of home.


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I think I'm gonna puke.

 

[Ramp Agent]

Well puke..cause I been thru it and the rest of Delta has taken a paycut as well

 

[semperfido]

no wonder my luggage gets lost.......try JB. you have been everywhere else.

 

[Launchpad]

Some of us got a 100% paycut.... Pilots gave over 30% already, totaling 5 billion in 5 years. Don't think your career track was much more difficult than anyone else's, everyone has a sob story.

Go cry somewhere else.

 

[Nindiri]

This guy has worked for just about every airline in America. Before he worries about Delta pilots, he ought to wonder why he can't hold a job longer than a few weeks.

 

[Ramp Agent]

This guy has worked for just about every airline in America. Before he worries about Delta pilots, he ought to wonder why he can't hold a job longer than a few weeks.

Every GOOD job I have had had been more than a year thank u......the other jobs are just meaningless jobs? Have you worked at ORD,MDW?

 

[Nindiri]

No, I worked and got an education so I wouldn't have to take a series of low-paying "meaningless" jobs for the rest of my life. Maybe you should have done the same, and then you wouldn't have to whine about those mean old Delta pilots.

 

[semperfido]

no need to get nasty. everyone has their own path to follow.

 

[Nindiri]

Some people's path seems to wander around aimlessly.

 

[stall022]

the judge adjouned until the 28th...

NEW YORK -- Delta Air Lines and its pilots will have to wait until at least the end of the month for a ruling on the company's request for court-imposed pay cuts.
After two days of bankruptcy court hearings that only scratched the surface of Delta's situation, U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Prudence Beatty adjourned the matter late Thursday and told the two sides to return for more hearings Nov. 28...

http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/business/13197705.htm

 

[737 Pylt]

In my opinion the DL pilots are not looking out for the countless number of other people in the DL family that will be affected by this, they are only thinking of themselves. But remember the airlines are a family. Well you are not taking care of home.

Such a long post with truly nothing important to say. If this is the way you feel, then you truly have no clue, thus no opinion, on what is going on at Delta. Next time I need bags loaded though, I will be sure to call on you!
737

 

[geardown]

I'm am ASA pilot, been in aviation for over a fifteen years. My wife is a mainline FA. I am sorry for anyone who has suffered as much as you RAMP AGENT, no one else in this industry has given up anything at all to be here. I am so GD sick and tired of hearing people complain about pilots and how it is their faults for the state of their company. The simple fact is the MORONS who run these companies have and do create the situations we find ourselves in. Some groups of people have the experience / foresight / self-preserving nature , to do something( anything) to protect themselves (Unionize). The whole reason unions exist is to give a voice to the individual through the strength of the group. While you whine about how your life has sucked for years on end, many have worked very hard to preserve their jobs because they realize(even though their employer doesen't) there is a value to the contribution they make every day they show up. I for one feel I exist at my company and am paid for the days when the stars align and everything goes to sh*t at the same time. That's what an Airline Pilot is paid for. The same goes for Flight Attendants. We may spend most of our time doing things that most people feel are routine, easy and mundane but when bad things happen, who are you going to want handling the situation when you or your family are passengers. When YOU can do MY job then I'll be quiet, until then you can STFU. When I go fly each time I ONLY have 50 lives in my hands (+ ALL their family and any friends). Start with that and give me a value to the flight, then add a monetary value for each additional life. What is it worth to you?

I support the Delta Pilots 100% , they earn every penny they make. Your safety and well being is in their hands. ( Would you go to the cheapest doctor you could find? I know several who have and they are dead.)

 

[radarlove]

So now after 10 years in this industry and many jobs later...

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We all make choices in our lives. You've made a lot of very poor ones.

 

[pipejockey]

Well I have been waiting for four years for a pilot group to stand up and say "enough is enough" hopefully it will be the Delta pilots. I'll walk the line with yall!!

 

[Remington]

Do we REALLY think DAL will strike? Come on.

 

[peter185]

Mr. Ramp Agent, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[IB6 UB9]

Ramp Agent

That was a sad story. In my years at Lakes I remember a snivelling whining puke in the crew room in ORD. Was that you?