delta upgrades?

[BILL LUMBERG]

Not necessarily. 1998 - 2000 hire, depending on which side of the merger you came from.

For those that don't know, there is a DOH disparity throughout the list depending on which side of the merger you came from, so using that as a touchstone will yield inaccurate results.

NOT saying this to start a SLI debate, but it is what it is. The gap fluctuates depending where on the list you are, and sometimes it's plus, sometimes minus. It can be a couple of months, or a couple of years.

That said, a better picture is painted by overall percentage. Junior upgrades now are in the 80th percentile, but only in NYC on the MD88.

Other bases, even on equipment that pays less, it is in the high 60's to low 70s.

Assuming "junior CA equipment" is the 717, MD88, A319/320 and maybe the 737, the upgrade percentiles on the last bid that was awarded was:

737
ATL 29
CVG 21
DTW 65
LAX 29
NYC 73

A320
ATL 58
DTW 49
NYC 75

MD88
ATL 72
MSP 68
NYC 80

717
ATL 72
DTW 68

Going from 757/767 FO to MD88 Captain is probably a $30-40k pay raise, and probably more work with less QOL, and if at the bottom of the upgrades, you'll go from holding a decent line to reserve.

Junior 330/767-400/777 FO positions are floating around the 70-80 percentile. 747-400 FO spots are in the mid 60's.

What this says is that widebody FO slots TEND to go senior than NB upgrades, for a variety of reasons. The large delta in NYC is because commuting to reserve NB generally has a sub-optimal QoL, and commuting to reserve in NYC even more so.

Just depends on what you want.

Nu

Sound like a SLI debate to me NU!

Why bring up crap that makes no difference to the question of DELTA upgrades??

 

[DTW320]

Sound like a SLI debate to me NU!

Why bring up crap that makes no difference to the question of DELTA upgrades??

Simple.

ACL65 introduced DOH into the seniority discussion.

Simple.

Following the merger DOH does NOT correlate to seniority....sometimes in BOTH pre-merger groups (some DAL '91 hires).

How is that FACT crap? Seems Exceedingly Relevant to the discussion of what seniority for upgrade correlates to in terms of when you were hired. Nu is completely correct when he states in effect, "it depends". And, like he said, it has nothing to do with a SLI "debate"....it IS WHAT IT IS. It's just numbers and dates on a piece of paper.

Simple Bill. It has a LARGE "to do" with the question of DELTA upgrades...

If a neighbor asked you "who gets to upgrade first at Delta? Someone senior to someone else or someone hired before the other?" how would you answer?

 

[jonjuan]

If a neighbor asked you "who gets to upgrade first at Delta? Someone senior to someone else or someone hired before the other?" how would you answer?

Simple.
The one who was hired at the more desirable airline with the higher hiring standards. (like SWA/Airtrain).

Simple.

 

[General Lee]

Simple.

ACL65 introduced DOH into the seniority discussion.

Simple.

Following the merger DOH does NOT correlate to seniority....sometimes in BOTH pre-merger groups (some DAL '91 hires).

How is that FACT crap? Seems Exceedingly Relevant to the discussion of what seniority for upgrade correlates to in terms of when you were hired. Nu is completely correct when he states in effect, "it depends". And, like he said, it has nothing to do with a SLI "debate"....it IS WHAT IT IS. It's just numbers and dates on a piece of paper.

Simple Bill. It has a LARGE "to do" with the question of DELTA upgrades...

If a neighbor asked you "who gets to upgrade first at Delta? Someone senior to someone else or someone hired before the other?" how would you answer?

Uhhhh sorry, that was decided by 3 neutral arbitrators. They figured out what was fair, and both sides got to plead their cases beforehand. It is what it is, that's for sure.



Bye Bye---General Lee