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Will they ever figure it out?????


Delta to eliminate up to 6,900 jobs
Carrier to make cuts over 18 months to avoid bankruptcy

[url="http://www.reuters.com/"][/url] Updated: 9:35 a.m. ET Nov. 10, 2004

CHICAGO - Delta Air Lines on Wednesday said it plans to cut between 6,000 and 6,900 jobs during the next 18 months, implement a 10 percent across-the-board pay reduction and reduce employee benefits in a bid to avoid bankruptcy.

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Eddie,


Most of those jobs are from the DFW base closing. They have a plan that de-peaks our hubs to make the planes we already have more efficient, and then add a huge pay cut on top of that, along with some debt restructuring, and you have a plan. With some luck, gas prices will fall (they have been), and we will be steady again someday.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Hey General,

As a result of the new TA, did your medical payments rise to 22% like the rest of the non-union Delta people?? If so, is there a clause in there to allow the company to raise it even more later?

Thanks!
 
Yes, we did have a large increase. We went from paying NOTHING to paying $382 a month for a spouse and family. That's almost an extra $4000 a year, on top of a 32.5% pay cut. I don't know if they can change it.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General Lee said:
Yes, we did have a large increase. We went from paying NOTHING to paying $382 a month for a spouse and family. That's almost an extra $4000 a year, on top of a 32.5% pay cut. I don't know if they can change it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

yes, they can change it.
 
Here is to hoping that you guys overwhelmingly vote NO to a 32% wage cut. Your MEC and Delta's current management should be chucked for even presenting such an insult..... That is not a business plan, that is permission to continue to do a lousy job at the same kind of unimaginative business that put Delta where they are in the first place..... Pay cuts have not helped USAIR and United for that same reason.... A NO vote is a vote for the future... It tells management to get busy running a business and to quit looking for the same old tired "ivy league business school bullsh*t" answers to their problems......
 
They won't do it. They'll vote "yes" and blame it on Comair. An extra $382 for health insurance. Yeah, it hurts, but every other DCI pilot pays it and on a fraction of the salary. Boo hoo. WAAAAAAA! MOMMMMMyyyyy!!!!!!!!
 
General Lee said:
We went from paying NOTHING to paying $382 a month ... That's almost an extra $4000 a year, ...
Is that Atlanta math?

$382 x 12 = $4584

:confused:


(Maybe I misunderstand the meaning of "almost"?)
 
Oakum boy,
You are calling mainline guys crybabys? Thats kind of idiotic-their pay and insurance will be affected regardless of what they make and it will affect them and their families. Did someone FORCE you to work at Comair for lower wages and higher insurance costs? Meththinks NOT. Please shut up or post something constructive.
I didnt see the RJDC logo in your avatar - better get it on there, quick!
 
I wish you could ride on one of these guys jumpseats. I was told a few days ago that we should "share in the pain". That is idiotic. The lower my pay goes, the cheaper our operation, the more flying shifted to DCI. Sh1t, if the Delta pilots had it their way, we'd make nothing and then they'd see what that would achieve. ALPA's second class system will ultimately kick them in the arse, but I don't pay the RJDC to help them figure it out. It will happen, and I have some time...
 
Oakumboy,


Maybe you didn't see the memo put out by John Malone and the Dalpa MEC which stated that they did nothing in the negotiations to lower your pay. But, you will probably lose pay coming up here if you want any new growth, and that will be up to you, without blaming Dalpa. Your MEC will have to decide that one. And, maybe you would not have had to pay that extra money on your small salary had you actually negotiated it---instead you for got about it and scope and went for the money, which will eventually be reduced. Who was you lead negotiator on that last contract? And, if you don't like ALPA and the strike benefits you DID receive during your strike, then get another union. The Teamsters have done wonders for Netjets---just ask any of them.


Tony C,

My "almost" can be used both up and down from that $4000 number. By using that word, I can be high or low.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Hey Oakum boy,
You sound like an A$$ to me... Just because you never got a number at DAL, doesnt mean you have to wish bad things to those who did...

I always knew that when I "moved up" from the rejionals to the Majors, that there would be cool stuff in the contract like higher wages and medical expenses for less or free, he!!, even some type of retirement... Gee, that why everyone is trying to get the he!! out of ASA/Comair or who ever, to get to the majors. You seem to have lost sight of that. Yeah, Im sure you think its pretty cool that you guys are hiring and DAL is furloughing (at the expense of mainline pilots and routes of course), Im sure you think its cool that the DAL guys are taking a major pay cut so that now their wages are more in line with yours. Finally you are getting the respect and envy from others that you have always deserved.

Instead of being a Smarta$$, why dont you try and support these guys. The Key here is to stick together as a pilot group, regardless of which group you belong to. Im sure if DAL is able to turnthings around in the future and pilot hiring occurs, you'll be first in line looking to "Move up"

BBDC8
 
ASA has zero negotiating leverage. It has always been that way. Look at ALPA and the roll call vote. The regionals have always been sacrificed. It looks now though that management has found a way to invalidate your scope, and continue with the race to the bottom. My fault for negotiating growth for pay concession? No way. We have stood ground with Comair on that one. No way. I appreciate the fact that Delta pilots are making a huge sacrifice here, but we are bombarded with funny looks and jumpseat politics for things that are simply not our fault...
 
General Lee said:
My "almost" can be used both up and down from that $4000 number. By using that word, I can be high or low.
OK, I'll file that one away for future reference. If you get a 33% pay cut, I can call it almost 30%, right?

Your definition sounds like the word "about" around here. About means "in the neighborhood," "not exactly," or "approximately." Almost means "not quite," "a little less than," or "on the shy side."

:) ;) :)
 
Tony C,


Yes, I guess you can say "about" also. Overall, the whole deal $ucks, but it is necessary. How about we agree that I should just use the phrase "a lot" ? That sounds more like it.



Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General, it's amusing that when a poster is contrary to your pilot group or your own opinions they are automatically a Comair pilot.

your response to Oakum;
And, maybe you would not have had to pay that extra money on your small salary had you actually negotiated it---instead you for got about it and scope and went for the money, which will eventually be reduced. Who was you lead negotiator on that last contract? And, if you don't like ALPA and the strike benefits you DID receive during your strike, then get another union.
That was directed to a Comair pilot.

Yet, when they say something you like you spout off about how ASA stepped up to the plate and blah blah blah...

Have you figured out who Oakum_Boy works for yet? Read his last post. Not everyone at ASA loves you. And, not everyone at Comair hates you. Just a suggestion, but on an anonymous board, when you assume like you did, you come off as all thrust, no rudder.
 
Yeah, I have now figured it out. Some ASA people probably don't like us, but I am still appreciative to them for helping our furloughs out, and if he wants an interview someday even though he is mad at us, he will probably get one. It's all up to him.....



Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Pez D. Spencer said:
General, it's amusing that when a poster is contrary to your pilot group or your own opinions they are automatically a Comair pilot.

your response to Oakum;
That was directed to a Comair pilot.

Yet, when they say something you like you spout off about how ASA stepped up to the plate and blah blah blah...

Have you figured out who Oakum_Boy works for yet? Read his last post. Not everyone at ASA loves you. And, not everyone at Comair hates you. Just a suggestion, but on an anonymous board, when you assume like you did, you come off as all thrust, no rudder.
Don't get too upset at GL's posts Spence.

He is a major tool and a sanctimonious a**hole. His hypocrisy regarding the Juniors is unforgivable. He will reap what he sows before it is all over.
 

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