Delta to Replace RJ's with mainline jets for new growth.

[Noserider76]

Absolutely correct, why do you think no one else is flying in these markets. There is no traffic to support this type of flying and the economy overseas is collapsing. The oil market in Africa and political unrest makes these destinations uneeded.

There's traffic there. It's just that up until recently it's had to go through, Paris, London, or Frankfurt to get there.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Quite true, and I am sure that this is being coordinated with Air France.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Once the SLI is done there will undoubtedly be another memo which will begin with, " Do to the state of the economy and the global recession...." Bye bye to a whole bunch of domestic narrow body aircraft, pullback of international growth and furloughs. And you guys will act surprised.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

You can only hope that happens. I saw that after 9-11. It was good for my short term career goals, but long term it huts.

Not that it will not happen, but our management appears to see the flaw in the way the DCI world took over DAL back then, and to date, do not want to repeat it.

 

[Monster Buck]

Just because you didn't get on at SWA doesn't mean you have to go pizz in everyone else's cheerios.

 

[123]

Absolutely correct, why do you think no one else is flying in these markets. There is no traffic to support this type of flying and the economy overseas is collapsing. The oil market in Africa and political unrest makes these destinations uneeded.

Africa is the largest emerging market in the world. They are working through their political instability problems and as they gain in infastructure, there will be a lot of money transfered to that part of the world. There will be a lot of people moving in and out and I am happy to see Delta as a first mover in this market.

Previously, anyone traveling to/from Africa had to go through Europe. There is a fair amount of traffic now and it should only increase.

 

[Superpilot92]

You can only hope that happens. I saw that after 9-11. It was good for my short term career goals, but long term it huts.

Not that it will not happen, but our management appears to see the flaw in the way the DCI world took over DAL back then, and to date, do not want to repeat it.

Bingo, the mgmt teams are tired of guaranteeing profits to feeders. Especially the ones that dont do a good job. There is about to be a big time pull down of the smaller regional jets. With fuel down we can do that flying in the paid for DC9s and keep the money in house. We'll see

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I agree, but those 50 seat jets are now a lot less expensive to operate. That said the pull down will happen, it may just be drawn out a little longer than planned.

I can tell you this DAL wants to get in to the domestic as well as the international under wing cargo business big time. We cannot do that on RJ's. They have stated this. It is not an empirical guess. They need bins that have room to spare. It goes hand in hand with charging for bags. It gives them added revenue if one is carried, but really forces the average Joe to carry less, and thus have more room for cargo.
We are doing a bang up business on this end and it Will only increase.

We all know that recessions are temporary, oil will rise again, etc. What DAL is doing is position themselves in markets base on long term analysis. Yes, there is a risk, but they know that. The advantages are that once the economy thaws out, we are in position. What this merger does is gives us a few billion dollars a year that we did not have to play the world market a little bit. If you look at how and what Delta has and is doing, you should be very impressed.

 

[123]

It is great to actually be working for an airline that wants to actually be a WORLD CLASS airline.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

That it is. Lets just hope that we choose the right time to do so. We are making a few gambles on what we see for the economic future.

 

[MJ42]

Once the SLI is done there will undoubtedly be another memo which will begin with, " Do to the state of the economy and the global recession...." Bye bye to a whole bunch of domestic narrow body aircraft, pullback of international growth and furloughs. And you guys will act surprised.

Ya think so? DUE tell us more about what your crystal ball says about our future...

How many cutbacks will there be at Skywest? You're already way fat on pilots, right?. Will Skw have to furlough for the first time? How is Skw Midwest flying doing? How is UAL flying doing? What's DAL's next move to get rid of RJ's, will it include 50 seaters at Skw? Please DUE tell us...

I'd worry about the future of your company before you comment about the future of ours.

 

[EL10]

FWIW, Bastian said during the pilot meeting in MSP that they days of "fee for departure" are over. Going forward, the contracts will be for a certain amount per passenger, and it would be up to the carrier to make money. Fuel collars for the regional partners are completely out of the question. It murdered the bottom line during the run up, and they won't make that mistake again.

The concept of "franchise fees" (where a lift provider has to pay to carry the code) was not out of the question.

Nu

The sad part is you are encouraging that the Fee-Per-Departure carriers purchases unlimited 76 seat Q400s and operate them on all the DC9 routes. Also you are encouraging the FPD to buy lots of aircraft so that they can enjoy pricing power when it comes to fuel. Then when all the FPD have to raise there bids to do the work that you agreed to be outsourced it will hurt Delta’s bottom line. It is truly amazing that once again an airline allowed more out sourcing for bigger pay raises. God willing they will not exploit the short sightedness. When a CFO sees that he can use a 76 seat aircraft unlimitedly on many jet routes for much less expense the pain will be felt by all. We all agree the more you let out sourced the less likely you are to ever get it back. We will all have to keep our mouths shut when ramp tower tells us to park in the pad while we have to wait for the Q400 to push off our gate.

Protect ALL FLYING JOBS big and small!

 

[Sinca3]

It is great to actually be working for an airline that wants to actually be a WORLD CLASS airline.

Wants to be...being the key word! Now if they can get the pax experience "World Class" it would be good for everyone.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

The small caveat that you miss is that DAL management will not pay the lease rates for the larger jets if they do not want them on a route. It does not matter whether it is fee for departure or not.

 

[EMBpilot]

Absolutely correct, why do you think no one else is flying in these markets. There is no traffic to support this type of flying and the economy overseas is collapsing. The oil market in Africa and political unrest makes these destinations uneeded.

Actually the loads are strong and the tickets are very expensive too. Delta is making a ton of money in Africa.

 

[flap operator]

EL10 - I couldn't have said it better myself. I asked the question on another thread... why the free for all with the large t-props? Why is it that all mainline cares about are RJs? I guess they're all about saving CERTAIN jobs from erosion, not all.

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas,

New rumor. 10 330s to be delivered starting next year.

Nu

 

[EMBpilot]

I heard RA loves 330's

 

[Erlanger]

Delta and Skywest in SLC

Skywest does more then 2x the flying for Delta then Delta does for itself domestically and 5x internationally out of SLC. Wonder what and how much Delta will eventually take back.

http://www.slcairport.com/pdf/schedule/SLC_Domestic_nonstop_Sep08.pdf

http://www.slcairport.com/pdf/schedule/SLC_Intl_nonstop_Sep08.pdf

 

[tico]

"We will all have to keep our mouths shut when ramp tower tells us to park in the pad while we have to wait for the Q400 to push off our gate."

You will learn to swallow....We do that in LAX, OAK, SFO, SMF and used to in RNO and BOI but we gave those up completely