Delta to hire in 07

[FDJ2]

would say that the guys who get recalled are back inspite of DALPA/ALPA. Happy to hear about the recalls though.

The recalled pilots will have accumulated longevity for pay for every single day they were on furlough. That may not sound like much, until you draw a list carriers that don't have longevity accumulation while on furlough and compare it to the list of carriers that do. Considering the fact that DAL is in Bankruptcy, the fact that some industries best work rules were preserved is amazing and also hastened recalls.

Look, the world sux when your on furlough, but coming back at 6 year pay when most haven't spent a year on the property isn't that bad. Name another BK carrier that's done that.

Now go back to biatching.

 

[007]

A hypocrite, or not well versed initially in the TA? Sure, I said some things thanks to my emotions getting to the best of me. Then, I read the TA and used REASON to make up my mind on the vote. You need to remember what position we are in---and that is BK. Our TA was a heck of a lot better than most in our same position. And guys like you love to bring up "history." Our recent history included some really bad management, and most of those guys are HISTORY now. Grinstein is on his way out, and that will leave us with some new direction, which hopefully is UP.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Maybe you should think before you write

 

[800Dog]

Maybe you should think before you write

Maybe you should stick to the regional boards.

 

[General Lee]

Maybe you should think before you write

Do you know the future? Could I read the TA before it even came out? Everyone is emotional initially, about many subjects on here. Making a decision by using reason is important. Did you know about 9-11 before it happened? You did? Why didn't you alert someone?

Maybe you should understand the situation before you respond and look dumb.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[800Dog]

Do you know the future? Could I read the TA before it even came out? Everyone is emotional initially, about many subjects on here. Making a decision by using reason is important. Did you know about 9-11 before it happened? You did? Why didn't you alert someone?


Bye Bye--General Lee

General,

I agree and disagree. I had a line in the sand before the TA came out and I was willing to lose my job over it. Reason is very important but, so is saying enough is enough. LOA 51 could have been worse but, it could have been better. We will never know because we did not push as hard as the pilot group said they were willing to push with the 95% strike vote. I truly believe we could have done better with sick leave, DC plan and scope. We will never know which is unfortunate.

 

[007]

Maybe you should understand the situation before you respond and look dumb.

GL, I thought I just told you to do that. Did I hit a nerve? You even admitted to putting your foot in your mouth. Why the attack? Did you not see the Smiley?
Do they not have Smiley's at Delta?

 

[007]

Maybe you should stick to the regional boards.

Maybe you should not be that "guy" they talk about in the crewroom. What are you afraid of?

 

[NYRANGERS]

The recalled pilots will have accumulated longevity for pay for every single day they were on furlough. That may not sound like much, until you draw a list carriers that don't have longevity accumulation while on furlough and compare it to the list of carriers that do. Considering the fact that DAL is in Bankruptcy, the fact that some industries best work rules were preserved is amazing and also hastened recalls.

Look, the world sux when your on furlough, but coming back at 6 year pay when most haven't spent a year on the property isn't that bad. Name another BK carrier that's done that.

Now go back to biatching.

Well put, and I agree with what you say...however...
The reality is that we are under staffed. If our union held strong to the original recall date of June 2006, with the last 60 due August 2006, we would have around 200 accepting recalls. This would leave us with an airline staffed to fly. Line holders would have a "normal" schedule, and reserves and junior pilots would not be called every off day by "the travel agency" aka. crew sched.

"We" gave up the recall sched. and it was used by management. Thus the recall announcement that makes Delta look like they did US a favor. Recalls were needed, quite a few newly recalled guys are flying GS for their whole month, partly due to senior guys not taking them.

If we left the original June 2006 recall alone, my guess (supported by the bypass %) is that everyone who wanted to come back, would be back and needed. We gave it up for nothing.
All said and done, I am thrilled that the recalls have begun. >

The longevity pay issue is huge. I am thrilled about it, however most of us make much more than 6 year pay a Delta. I would only accept recall because of the "big picture". I hope to retire #16.

 

[tbkane]

If I am needed where do I report??? I have been waiting five years to get the letter in the mail... The mail man is sick of my face. Seriously how short are we? I am interested to see if the recalls continue...

 

[Devil Dawg]

Last I heard AA was parking md-80s. Maybe Delta can work a deal with them. Eagle is one of the fastest growing airlines in the country. It seems airline execs equat more RJs to having more cowbell. More RJs please, that will save us!!

 

[FDJ2]

The reality is that we are under staffed. If our union held strong to the original recall date of June 2006, with the last 60 due August 2006, we would have around 200 accepting recalls.

You are correct, we are under staffed, but I'd ask you to consider that staffing an airline when you don't know your future fleet size in the next 6 months can be problematic, throw into that mix the planned retirement of the remaining 737 200/300s and staffing becomes even more murky. A large part of this whole BK process is the renegotiation of aircraft leases. DAL can not know for certain how many of the aircraft we currently fly will have successfully renegotiate leases. As the process unfolds, the picture for the fall schedule becomes clearer.

Last week some of the aircraft had their leases renegotiated and the fall schedule was adjusted accordingly, necesitating the recall of 64 additional pilots. From what I am hearing we now only have 11 aircraft whose leases have not been renegotiated.

Now these recalls are for the "fall" schedule, a time when airlines traditionally pull back. It would not be beyond reason to expect additional recalls this fall/winter in order to fly next years spring and summer schedule. Particularly if we manage to successfully renegotiate the leases on the remaining 11 aircraft.

As far as holding the company to an August 2006 recall schedule, that would be great, if we were profitable and out of BK, but I think it is unreasonable to expect the company to recall 475 pilots it doesn't need yet when the company is in BK.

 

[GogglesPisano]

So no idea of what the fleet will look like next year? I would think the 737-200's would be the next a/c to leave, but at lease-rates of only $15,000/mo ...

(hell, that's 30 Mercedes)

 

[General Lee]

It's hard to read, but from the WSJ on Friday I believe

Delta Air Lines is recalling 64 furloughed pilots this summer, as the carrier tries to take advantage of improving industry revenues by increasing capacity on key domestic and international routes.

The Atlanta-based airline, which has been operating under bankruptcy-court protection since September, said it was sending letters to its most senior furloughed pilots, seeking to begin training classes for pilots as soon as June 28. The carrier has about 465 pilots on its furlough list, most of whom were last in a Delta cockpit five years ago when, in the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Delta and other airlines began sidelining workers.

Delta, the third-largest U.S. carrier in terms of traffic, is mounting a major expansion of international routes as it moves from being a largely domestic carrier to one with greater global reach and one more resembling successful carriers such as Continental Airlines. To replace wide-body aircraft being moved to international service, Delta executives are shopping for shorter-haul aircraft, including MD-80s and Boeing 757s. Delta is expressing interest in 19 757 aircraft on which AMR Corp.'s American Airlines this past week said it wouldn't renew leases. The aircraft don't fit into American's fleet because of different engines, but they have engines similar to Delta's 757 fleet.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FDJ2]

Here's the easier to read edition for the eye chart challenged.

Delta Air Lines is recalling 64 furloughed pilots this summer, as the carrier tries to take advantage of improving industry revenues by increasing capacity on key domestic and international routes.

The Atlanta-based airline, which has been operating under bankruptcy-court protection since September, said it was sending letters to its most senior furloughed pilots, seeking to begin training classes for pilots as soon as June 28. The carrier has about 465 pilots on its furlough list, most of whom were last in a Delta cockpit five years ago when, in the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Delta and other airlines began sidelining workers.

Delta, the third-largest U.S. carrier in terms of traffic, is mounting a major expansion of international routes as it moves from being a largely domestic carrier to one with greater global reach and one more resembling successful carriers such as Continental Airlines. To replace wide-body aircraft being moved to international service, Delta executives are shopping for shorter-haul aircraft, including MD-80s and Boeing 757s. Delta is expressing interest in 19 757 aircraft on which AMR Corp.'s American Airlines this past week said it wouldn't renew leases. The aircraft don't fit into American's fleet because of different engines, but they have engines similar to Delta's 757 fleet.

 

[whymeworry?]

Why is it that pilots of DAL, UAL, U, and NW think their TA was the best they could get. None of them put up much of a fight, yet ALL of them think they are unionists, top-notch aviators and airline analysts when it comes to scope, future growth, and the overall transportation business in general.

Guys, spend less time on the forums and more time building yourself a side-business so you can take a stand the next time your management comes to you for a round of paycuts.

 

[n757st]

Last I heard AA was parking md-80s. Maybe Delta can work a deal with them. Eagle is one of the fastest growing airlines in the country. It seems airline execs equat more RJs to having more cowbell. More RJs please, that will save us!!

I don't work for them, but I am pretty sure eagle is not growing at all. On that note, parking any mainline jet and replacing it with an RJ will only bite the mainline carrier's butt in the end.

 

[Swaayze]

Yeah, bad rumor. Zero growth in airframes at Eagle. "Simplification" (ie departing late so they can schedule 25 minute turns to increase utilization) is providing a minimal amount of block hour growth. Not that y'all care but I've seen this rumor here more than once. AA airplanes clearly are being parked and offered though....