Delta to hire in 07

[arthompson]

Honestly, does anyone really care when Delta will hire again? After the General and 61% of his closest buddies voted in favor of that POS TA you'll make more money and have better QOL at Airtran.

But just look at the kind of people AirTran hires. Some of the people that left us to go there aren't exactly the best examples of what an airline pilot should be.

 

[fareview]

Everyone has an opinion, and I express it often. I thought originally that there was no way we would allow RJs over 70 seats, but looking at the full TA and seeing there were some protections on numbers and a chance for our furloughed pilots to come back with some growth, I thought it was good for our situation. And, I bet the movie Miami Vice with Jamie Fox and Colin Ferrell will be the best movie since Lord of the Rings...... Do you trust me or take me litterally always?


Bye Bye--General Lee

I would not know - I have'nt seen the movie.

One more question- how many times did you post on this board "...I will vote no on this TA.." before you read it?

Respectfully,

fv

 

[da90drivr]

I assume when you mention pay raises you mean slight increases to get the pay back to what it was before the TA?

FACT: our TA was a lot better than NW's, UAL's, and USAir's two TAs.

We didn't lose any work rules, we will get pay raises, we get something in exchange for our pension that wasn't funded anymore, and scope was limited to 76 seats (when they wanted 79) and only at a specific number. The furloughed pilots that want to come back probably will, especially since we are short right now.

I really don't think (along with the majority) that this was a bad TA at all. Could we have gotten better? I don't think so, maybe some slight cosmetic changes, but not worth the extra heartburn. And, the weight limit on the RJs (86,000 lbs) was still upheld. That weight agreement was established on a previous LOA.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I would not know - I have'nt seen the movie.

One more question- how many times did you post on this board "...I will vote no on this TA.." before you read it?

Respectfully,

fv

Probably many many times. What can I say, I spoke with emotion, until I read the TA, and then with REASON. Is that wrong? At least I admit when I change my mind.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I assume when you mention pay raises you mean slight increases to get the pay back to what it was before the TA?

We are in BK. It is tough to NOT get pay cuts when you are in BK. We will get a guaranteed amount back (4.5%), and then there is a chance to get a total of 13% back if we actually do well. This is a business, and we need to post profits every once and a while.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[cosmotheassman]

At this point, why would ANYONE go to work for Delta? You're a moron if you go to work there.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Geez, guys. Cut GL some slack. He admitted he spoke with emotion regarding the TA vote and explained specifically why his mind was changed. You guys have never changed your minds?

You sound like a bunch of taunting schoolyard punks. Move on!

BTW, the TA doesn't sound so bad to me. Their payscales are significantly higher than the other legacies up front, so when they do begin hiring again they will be very attractive to some of us.

A 76-seat RJ should be flown by mainline. Having said that, it is not a replacement for a 100-120 seat aircraft. I don't see the MD88's going anywhere anytime soon and if ASM's increase they will have to recall.

 

[Mookie]

The general just wanted to ensure his upgrade so he would not have to take the paycut at all...

Mookie

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

You guys are a bunch of jackoffs. Give the General a frickin' break. Have you even seen the DAL pay rates? Better than UAL and NWA, much better than UsAir. CAL pay doesn't meet DAL until about year 5 and it will take 8 or 9 years at CAL to break even with DAL total earnings-wise. DAL still has Int'l override and probably 1st class 767 crew rest (CAL gave those up). If Delta mgt. can pull their heads out of their collective arse and make it work, you better believe I'll be throwing my name into the hat as soon as they start hiring. By the way, how senior is JFK 767 Int'l?

 

[Espalda Mojado]

Honestly, does anyone really care when Delta will hire again? After the General and 61% of his closest buddies voted in favor of that POS TA you'll make more money and have better QOL at Airtran.

That is laughable, amigos, coming from a "commuter" pilot!

 

[800Dog]

You guys are a bunch of jackoffs. Give the General a frickin' break. Have you even seen the DAL pay rates? Better than UAL and NWA, much better than UsAir. CAL pay doesn't meet DAL until about year 5 and it will take 8 or 9 years at CAL to break even with DAL total earnings-wise. DAL still has Int'l override and probably 1st class 767 crew rest (CAL gave those up). If Delta mgt. can pull their heads out of their collective arse and make it work, you better believe I'll be throwing my name into the hat as soon as they start hiring. By the way, how senior is JFK 767 Int'l?

Junior ER Fo in JFK is a 2000 hire I believe. About #5700 out of 6300 total pilots.

 

[General Lee]

You guys are a bunch of jackoffs. Give the General a frickin' break. Have you even seen the DAL pay rates? Better than UAL and NWA, much better than UsAir. CAL pay doesn't meet DAL until about year 5 and it will take 8 or 9 years at CAL to break even with DAL total earnings-wise. DAL still has Int'l override and probably 1st class 767 crew rest (CAL gave those up). If Delta mgt. can pull their heads out of their collective arse and make it work, you better believe I'll be throwing my name into the hat as soon as they start hiring. By the way, how senior is JFK 767 Int'l?

JFK 767 INTL FO is running at about 6 or 7 years, but with more expansion that could drop.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

The general just wanted to ensure his upgrade so he would not have to take the paycut at all...

Mookie

I could hold MD88 Capt regardless, and maybe 738 NYC Captain if we get some more movement. Overall, the TA was the correct choice at this time.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[800Dog]

Overall, the TA was the correct choice at this time.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Some of us would disagree. Have a good week General.

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

JFK 767 INTL FO is running at about 6 or 7 years, but with more expansion that could drop.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Not too bad if the junior pilot on the property has 5 or 6 years with the company. I'm assuming NYC is the junior base. That would be nice since I'm currently based at EWR. Now if someone could just whack Ahmadinijad (sp?) so oil can go back to $45 a barrel...

 

[michael707767]

Some of us would disagree. Have a good week General.

thats putting it mildy. I think in years to come we will realize this TA was the worst sellout ALPA ever perpetrated on the Delta pilots.

 

[RP170]

FACT: our TA was a lot better than NW's, UAL's, and USAir's two TAs.

We didn't lose any work rules, we will get pay raises, we get something in exchange for our pension that wasn't funded anymore, and scope was limited to 76 seats (when they wanted 79) and only at a specific number. The furloughed pilots that want to come back probably will, especially since we are short right now.

I really don't think (along with the majority) that this was a bad TA at all. Could we have gotten better? I don't think so, maybe some slight cosmetic changes, but not worth the extra heartburn. And, the weight limit on the RJs (86,000 lbs) was still upheld. That weight agreement was established on a previous LOA.

Bye Bye--General Lee

How much does an E175 weigh? I know the E170 is just over 82,000 lbs.

 

[Helos2Galaxy]

Junior ER Fo in JFK is a 2000 hire I believe. About #5700 out of 6300 total pilots.[/quote]

A bit closer to 5800 but still a 2000 hire. An early 2000 hire'd be ~~ 310 of 320 in category, or be top 5% on the -88 in NY.

 

[n757st]

You guys are a bunch of jackoffs. Give the General a frickin' break. Have you even seen the DAL pay rates? Better than UAL and NWA, much better than UsAir. CAL pay doesn't meet DAL until about year 5 and it will take 8 or 9 years at CAL to break even with DAL total earnings-wise. DAL still has Int'l override and probably 1st class 767 crew rest (CAL gave those up). If Delta mgt. can pull their heads out of their collective arse and make it work, you better believe I'll be throwing my name into the hat as soon as they start hiring. By the way, how senior is JFK 767 Int'l?

I don't really think it was ever about pay, it was about scope, and the Delta guys let them expand scope again. Sooner or later you are going to have the other majors look at Delta and NWA and say, well guys, they have 75 seat jets flown by the regionals, so the only thing we can do to compete is cut your pay or loosen scope ourselves. Granted, I am not necessarily one to speak flying an RJ myself, but it would be nice to have a job at the majors one day, and every time a 70 or 90 seat airplane goes to the regionals that goal becomes less and less obtainable.

 

[Sonny Crockett]

I don't really think it was ever about pay, it was about scope, and the Delta guys let them expand scope again. Sooner or later you are going to have the other majors look at Delta and NWA and say, well guys, they have 75 seat jets flown by the regionals, so the only thing we can do to compete is cut your pay or loosen scope ourselves. Granted, I am not necessarily one to speak flying an RJ myself, but it would be nice to have a job at the majors one day, and every time a 70 or 90 seat airplane goes to the regionals that goal becomes less and less obtainable.

Finally an RJ guy that "GETS IT"

Good luck, and hopefully you will achieve your goal someday!

 

[AA717driver]

But just look at the kind of people AirTran hires. Some of the people that left us to go there aren't exactly the best examples of what an airline pilot should be.

Congratulations! You've just been named an honorary Sky Nazi! I guess it takes more than your airline being in the $h!tter to knock the arrogance out of some people.

On the issue of DAL acquiring more MD80's--They are cheap. They require little or no additional training or facilities AND with a Ch. 11 on your record, you'd be paying OUT THE A$$ for new planes.

Ch. 11 destroys the credit rating of an airline. Lease rates would be way above market rates. TWA was paying nearly the same monthly lease payment on an MD80 that AA was paying for a 757. Just what a post-bankruptcy airline needs.

So, if I were a Delta pilot (I'm not since I'm not a superhuman... ) I'd be jumping for joy at the prospect for ANY growth and thank my lucky stars that some cheap MD80's are available.TC

 

[av8n]

New EMB jets? You mean the E190? No way. There will
be more mainline E190s flying around out there and there really is no way
Dalpa or our pilot group would allow that.


#1. Initial Response: The Delta pilot group (dare not call it an actual union)
stated years ago there would NEVER be anything larger than a 30 seater at the commuters.

Reality - Delta pilot group bent over & gave in to management so that ASA
could get the ATR's.


#2. Initial Response: Then we said "there would never be any jets at the
commuters."

Reality - Delta pilot group bent over again so that Comair/ASA could get jets.


#3. Initial Response: ASA/Comair would only be able to fly 50 seat jets.

Reality - ASA/ Comair got 70 seat jets.


#4. Initial Response: Delta pilot group said not more RJ's. Especially nothing
larger than a 70 seater.

Reality - We unfortunately passed TA #51. Which allows RJ's with a pax.
seating greater than 70 seats.


#5. General Lee states "I'll vote no on anything larger than 70 seat RJ's at the regionals.

Reality - General Lee is also a hypocrite when it comes to his word and
voting record. General Lee clearly doesn't know history either.


The Delta pilot group has absolutely NO spine whatsoever. Whatever
managment puts in front of them - they pass it.

It is very simple - Management will do everything in it's power not to hire
back the furloghees. It is cheaper for them to hand out Greenslips. And whey
would they care? They aren't furloughed.

The pilots who pick up Greenslips in my book: They care more about
themselves than the principles of not forgetting the one's who are left behind
on the battlefield (furloughees).

 

[Noserider76]

Just announced: 60-70 recalls to start training in late June. A good start. Hope everyone who wants to come back is back soon.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Some of you were saying something about selling ou the junior guys ... ?

Delta to Recall 60 to 70 Furloughed Pilots
Friday June 9, 2:49 pm ET
Delta Air Lines to Recall 60 to 70 Furloughed Ilots


ATLANTA (AP) -- Delta Air Lines Inc. said Friday it is recalling 60 to 70 furloughed pilots this summer.
The Atlanta-based airline, the nation's third-largest carrier, said the move would help Delta meet new schedule demands and add flexibility to ensure good on-time performance.

The recalled pilots will begin training in late June and will return to line flying for Delta in late summer.

With the move, Delta will have about 6,000 pilots.

The airline's pilot ranks have thinned by several thousand over the last five years while Delta lost billions of dollars. Delta filed for bankruptcy protection in September.

Delta Air Lines Inc.: http://www.delta.com

 

[av8n]

Plato says I can't ever come back.Something about scoring excess personality....

Hey! I resemble that remark.

 

[NYRANGERS]

Some of you were saying something about selling ou the junior guys ... ?

Delta to Recall 60 to 70 Furloughed Pilots
Friday June 9, 2:49 pm ET
Delta Air Lines to Recall 60 to 70 Furloughed Ilots


ATLANTA (AP) -- Delta Air Lines Inc. said Friday it is recalling 60 to 70 furloughed pilots this summer.
The Atlanta-based airline, the nation's third-largest carrier, said the move would help Delta meet new schedule demands and add flexibility to ensure good on-time performance.

The recalled pilots will begin training in late June and will return to line flying for Delta in late summer.

With the move, Delta will have about 6,000 pilots.

The airline's pilot ranks have thinned by several thousand over the last five years while Delta lost billions of dollars. Delta filed for bankruptcy protection in September.

Delta Air Lines Inc.: http://www.delta.com

The recall was instated by Delta Air Lines, not the union. I would say that the guys who get recalled are back inspite of DALPA/ALPA. Happy to hear about the recalls though.

 

[Huck]

Hey! I resemble that remark.

Yeah... if I ever see that guy, I'm going to kiss him on the mouth. He got me so mad I quit ASA and dove into the freight business.

 

[Helos2Galaxy]

On a step in the right direction, we are recalling 64 furloughees by the end of July, leaving 412 on furlough.

 

[General Lee]

I don't really think it was ever about pay, it was about scope, and the Delta guys let them expand scope again. Sooner or later you are going to have the other majors look at Delta and NWA and say, well guys, they have 75 seat jets flown by the regionals, so the only thing we can do to compete is cut your pay or loosen scope ourselves. Granted, I am not necessarily one to speak flying an RJ myself, but it would be nice to have a job at the majors one day, and every time a 70 or 90 seat airplane goes to the regionals that goal becomes less and less obtainable.

With the LCC growth out there, the 50 seat RJs are likely to become extinct soon. Those need to be replaced by 70 seaters, and our TA gave them some 70 seaters and additional 76 seaters also (can't grow the number of seats even under force mejeur) to add about $90 million a year in needed revenue. Some people believe we will eventually give DCI planes with 100 seats, which I believe is unlikely. Within the next few years many mainline carriers will starting flying E190s or continue to fly them and expand with them. USAir, Jetblue, and Air Canada will have more than 100 E190s flying all around the US within the next 4 years, and that will be the mainline norm by then. Even our future leader, Jim Whitehurst, stated that any 100 seaters will go to mainline. The people who disagree with that also thought previously that we would never recall any pilots...


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

New EMB jets? You mean the E190? No way. There will
be more mainline E190s flying around out there and there really is no way
Dalpa or our pilot group would allow that.


#1. Initial Response: The Delta pilot group (dare not call it an actual union)
stated years ago there would NEVER be anything larger than a 30 seater at the commuters.

Reality - Delta pilot group bent over & gave in to management so that ASA
could get the ATR's.


#2. Initial Response: Then we said "there would never be any jets at the
commuters."

Reality - Delta pilot group bent over again so that Comair/ASA could get jets.


#3. Initial Response: ASA/Comair would only be able to fly 50 seat jets.

Reality - ASA/ Comair got 70 seat jets.


#4. Initial Response: Delta pilot group said not more RJ's. Especially nothing
larger than a 70 seater.

Reality - We unfortunately passed TA #51. Which allows RJ's with a pax.
seating greater than 70 seats.


#5. General Lee states "I'll vote no on anything larger than 70 seat RJ's at the regionals.

Reality - General Lee is also a hypocrite when it comes to his word and
voting record. General Lee clearly doesn't know history either.


The Delta pilot group has absolutely NO spine whatsoever. Whatever
managment puts in front of them - they pass it.

It is very simple - Management will do everything in it's power not to hire
back the furloghees. It is cheaper for them to hand out Greenslips. And whey
would they care? They aren't furloughed.

The pilots who pick up Greenslips in my book: They care more about
themselves than the principles of not forgetting the one's who are left behind
on the battlefield (furloughees).

A hypocrite, or not well versed initially in the TA? Sure, I said some things thanks to my emotions getting to the best of me. Then, I read the TA and used REASON to make up my mind on the vote. You need to remember what position we are in---and that is BK. Our TA was a heck of a lot better than most in our same position. And guys like you love to bring up "history." Our recent history included some really bad management, and most of those guys are HISTORY now. Grinstein is on his way out, and that will leave us with some new direction, which hopefully is UP.

Bye Bye--General Lee