Delta-Skyway announcement imminent.

[WillFlyFoCookie]

Thanks for clarifying what you meant JetPilot_Mike. I do understand better how you feel now.

You're right about the super seniority. Upgrade is about 6 months and maybe even less.

 

[jobear]

What about the flying your taking from DAL? I bet General Lee would like in on this one.

Ohhh GENERAL

Jobear

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

What about the flying your taking from DAL? I bet General Lee would like in on this one.

Ohhh GENERAL

Jobear

The difference is that we are owned by DAL. That is much differnet than being owned by Midwest Airlines.

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

Thanks for clarifying what you meant JetPilot_Mike. I do understand better how you feel now.

You're right about the super seniority. Upgrade is about 6 months and maybe even less.

Thanks for having a good attitude. I will apologize for the whore and get what you pay for statements. I actually don't know much about Skyway, although I think I got some of my twin time from one of your pilots. But you have to see it from the Comair pilot's position. We went on strike to better ourselves and the industry, and since then we have seen ACA, CHQ, and now you guys move into our territory. We were offered planes for paycuts, and we held the line. We are profitable, yet we don't get the planes. I think we feel our "peers," as you stated, haven't done much to help us or the regional airline industry. At every turn we are underbid by pilots who will fly 70 seaters for low-end 50 seat rates...etc. That's why we are bitter.

Can you blame us?

Again, it's nothing personal. I guess it's just business.

I think I'll go back to the College Football post...it's more fun.

 

[KingAirer]

Has Comair grown at all since the strike? YES, and considerably! Have they gotten all the growth, NO!

Yes, comair did a heck of alot to uphold and raise the standard for regionals, and thankfully there works still stand. The oppurtunity that comair had to have a strangle hold on CVG and a huge web of Delta b/c of it, has not be deplicated since, at DL (XJT has this oppurtunity). Because of the strike, we have seen hub integration and no one hub is all one airline, and thus no one airline has the strangle hold that comair once did. This hurts bargaining power of course. So please if someone didnt quite meet your standard, in payrates at least, lets not call them whores!

Believe me, all of our causes would be helped if we would learn to work together instead of pull each other apart by this kind of stuff.

 

[Wacopilot]

KingAirer,

You need to put this energy into building time.....way to bitter for a new pilot.
Peace to all your moms.

Waco

 

[vc10]

I was going with the second clause of (2) below.

Actually, "Moot" means "irrelevant or without consequence", not theoretical.

It is from the latin phrase, "mootis hemorrhoidis", meaning to speak from one's arssholius.

Main Entry: 3moot
Function: adjective
1 a : open to question : [size=-1]DEBATABLE[/size] b : subjected to discussion : [size=-1]DISPUTED[/size]
2 : deprived of practical significance : made abstract or purely academic

 

[metroplex]

How many Comair guys bought a job by pay for training several years ago.......? If you ask for 50 seat rates to fly a 32 seat airplane you are just not competitive. sorry. I bet DAL pilots appreciate you comair guys flying 70 seats....

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

How many Comair guys bought a job by pay for training several years ago.......? If you ask for 50 seat rates to fly a 32 seat airplane you are just not competitive. sorry. I bet DAL pilots appreciate you comair guys flying 70 seats....

Let's see, about 55% of the pilots are junior to me, and I didn't pay for training. We have a ton of really senior people. I'm not sure when PFT started, but I'll say maybe 25% paid. Not overwhelming. I totally agree. We should have, and hopefully did, offer to negotiate 32 seat pay rates. As far as DALPA and the 70 seaters, DALPA never wanted to fly the 70 seater...well, until now that is.

 

[Rotorhead]

Um.......ACA was a DelCon carrier before your strike. If you are going to beat your chest at least have accurate facts. Your hard won payrates were also based on our just won contract plus one percent.

We went on strike to better ourselves and the industry, and since then we have seen ACA, CHQ, and now you guys move into our territory.

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

Um.......ACA was a DelCon carrier before your strike. If you are going to beat your chest at least have accurate facts. Your hard won payrates were also based on our just won contract plus one percent.

Our territory..i.e...CVG, MCO. At the time, the Doorknobs were only in BOS and LGA. Right?

Yes, we did appreciate your just won contract. It took us a few no votes and 89 days to better it for ourselves. We also "raised the bar," which should have helped the industry. I sure hope ASA and XJET better our current contract. It would be a refreshing change.

I'm not beating my chest, just the fact's, ma'am.

 

[jobear]

JPM it was is in DCI best intrests to diversify the feeds to the hubs after your strike, DAL had to have some kind of feed protection. Thats just business. I agree having someone on your turf is not great especially if they do it for less. But as has been said by others I did not choose to bid on the flying my company did, meanwhile I am grateful to all Comair pilots for raising the bar. And I'm glad we the pilots at Skyway get a chance for some growth and upgrades.

Have a nice day
Jobear

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

JPM it was is in DCI best intrests to diversify the feeds to the hubs after your strike, DAL had to have some kind of feed protection. Thats just business. I agree having someone on your turf is not great especially if they do it for less. But as has been said by others I did not choose to bid on the flying my company did, meanwhile I am grateful to all Comair pilots for raising the bar. And I'm glad we the pilots at Skyway get a chance for some growth and upgrades.

Have a nice day
Jobear

Fair enough.
Good day.

 

[DCMartin]

ACTUALLY Skyway is paid more than Comair

If you look at how much each pilot is paid per seat, Skyway pilots are paid MORE than Comair.

Skyway 1st yr CA 328: 1.38
Comair 1st yr CA CR5: 1.2
Comair 1st yr CA CR7: .94

Skyway 18 yr CA 328: 2.22
Comair 18 yr CA CR5: 2.02
Comair 18 yr CA CR7: 1.61

Skyway 5 yr FO 328: .91
Comair 5 yr FO CR5: .82
Comair 5 yr FO CR7: .64

In all situations Skyway pilots are paid more than Comair pilots. Because both companies fly different jets you cant compare the $/hr per jet. You have to look at $/seat per jet. The company makes money off of each seat, not each jet. (technically you should consider average loads as well and if you did I still think skyway would be on top).

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

If you look at how much each pilot is paid per seat, Skyway pilots are paid MORE than Comair.

DCMartin,

I think what the previous poster was getting at is that Comair has no 32 seat pay scale on the books. So, either we would have had to open Section 2 and come up with a pay table, or, as the poster was getting at, fly the D328J for CRJ50 pay rates.

 

[ShadowFlight]

We, at Skyway, would like to make more money but please remember two things. First, Skyway flies a THIRTY-TWO seat jet - not a FIFTY or SEVENTY or NINETY seat jet so the payscale is based on such fact. Two, the current contract was one of the first post 9-11 contracts signed and it was during a financial crisis at Midwest Airlines (we are wholly-owned). There wasn't much the pilot group could do about a pay increase but, from what I understand, the current contract was an improvement in workrules. I wasn't with Skyway during the negotiations but I'm grateful for what the group did in terms of bettering the contract especially during desperate times. Hopefully, we can improve on the next contract that is amendable in 2008.

Like Jobear mentioned, please wish us well. All businesses are "in business" for two primary reasons - to make money and grow. We hope this deal will provide both.

Peace

SF

 

[EX_CV580FR8Dawg]

And here I thought we were getting all of DALs L-10s

 

[Thunderchief]

Pushed until December...

Don't know why or forgot what my source said (very possible) but the Skyway's procurement of the DoJo's is being pushed back for some reason...Until Dec 15th. Anyone know more or can dispell this rumor?

-TC

 

[zeroline]

Not a rumor

Its not a rumor. The Chief Pilot said the Delta deal wont go down until Janurary. He also said that we will hold off on hiring until october. This was all said on the company message board.

 

[9rj9]

Comair does have a 32 seat pay rate

we have two pay rates 70 seat and 50 seat or less. The dojets would be the same as the current 50 seat rate. Its in the contract.

DCMartin,

I think what the previous poster was getting at is that Comair has no 32 seat pay scale on the books. So, either we would have had to open Section 2 and come up with a pay table, or, as the poster was getting at, fly the D328J for CRJ50 pay rates.