Delta ship 638 Paint job

[astroglider]

I recently flew a DAL 757 ship 638 with the new DAL paint job. Paint job was o.k. but the aircraft had an offensive and insulting note painted on both sides of the aircraft right under the cockpit windows. The note looked like a cartoon balloon text coming from the Capt's window on one side and the F/O's window on the other side. Basically the note said we the 47,000 Delta employees would like to thank our CEO Jerry Grinstein for his leadership.

What a joke!!! Management painted a thank you note to JERRY!!!

HE WAS A BIG REASON WHY WE GOT INTO BANKRUPTCY IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

HERE'S AN IDEA!!! HOW ABOUT THANKING THE EMPLOYEES!!!!

We went from 78,000 employee pre-9/11 to 47,000 today, we took Draconian pay cuts, cuts to benefits, changes in workrules, lost our retirement completely.

What did Jerry do for Delta??? HE hired Leo Mullin. He fell asleep at the wheel while on the BOD while Leo, Fred and Michelle ran Delta into the ground. Then when Jerry did become CEO he took 10 months to do an economic assessment of Delta. Ten months!!! He'd been on Delta's board for 20 years!!! After the assessment he stated he was shocked at the poor shape Delta was in???

The note is placed so it can be read by passengers from the gate area...and looks like the pilots are saying it...YGTBSM...99% of the PILOTS HATE JERRY!!!

I guess what really pissed me off the most is it puts words in my mouth that are so opposite my true feelings. It took restraint on the part of the crew not to open the windows and either peel the note off or find spray paint and paint over it. A quick way to some time though...so we didn't...

 

[samballs]

Or at the celebration party when Jerry came on stage, all the fools in the crowd were chearing so loud that he delayed speaking, then he went into the dance, all I could think was I hope this old man falls and breaks ahip. Where did they dig up all those employees to chear for him like that, hey he may have took our pay but todays a new day and this guys cool??????

 

[dtfl]

I recently flew a DAL 757 ship 638 with the new DAL paint job. Paint job was o.k. but the aircraft had an offensive and insulting note painted on both sides of the aircraft right under the cockpit windows. The note looked like a cartoon balloon text coming from the Capt's window on one side and the F/O's window on the other side. Basically the note said we the 47,000 Delta employees would like to thank our CEO Jerry Grinstein for his leadership.

What a joke!!! Management painted a thank you note to JERRY!!!

HE WAS A BIG REASON WHY WE GOT INTO BANKRUPTCY IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

HERE'S AN IDEA!!! HOW ABOUT THANKING THE EMPLOYEES!!!!

We went from 78,000 employee pre-9/11 to 47,000 today, we took Draconian pay cuts, cuts to benefits, changes in workrules, lost our retirement completely.

What did Jerry do for Delta??? HE hired Leo Mullin. He fell asleep at the wheel while on the BOD while Leo, Fred and Michelle ran Delta into the ground. Then when Jerry did become CEO he took 10 months to do an economic assessment of Delta. Ten months!!! He'd been on Delta's board for 20 years!!! After the assessment he stated he was shocked at the poor shape Delta was in???

The note is placed so it can be read by passengers from the gate area...and looks like the pilots are saying it...YGTBSM...99% of the PILOTS HATE JERRY!!!

I guess what really pissed me off the most is it puts words in my mouth that are so opposite my true feelings. It took restraint on the part of the crew not to open the windows and either peel the note off or find spray paint and paint over it. A quick way to some time though...so we didn't...

Are you serious about that "balloon"? Maybe it was only on the 1st new paint job? Maybe we can all pool some $ (YEAH RIGHT....asking DAL pilots to give a dollar) and have MX sabotage that when it comes out of the paint shop..like forget the words or change them to thank the employees that sacrificed..etc..etc

 

[yaya]

Wow. that sounds aweful.

 

[7dustfan]

I recently flew a DAL 757 ship 638 with the new DAL paint job. Paint job was o.k. but the aircraft had an offensive and insulting note painted on both sides of the aircraft right under the cockpit windows. The note looked like a cartoon balloon text coming from the Capt's window on one side and the F/O's window on the other side. Basically the note said we the 47,000 Delta employees would like to thank our CEO Jerry Grinstein for his leadership.

What a joke!!! Management painted a thank you note to JERRY!!!

HE WAS A BIG REASON WHY WE GOT INTO BANKRUPTCY IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

HERE'S AN IDEA!!! HOW ABOUT THANKING THE EMPLOYEES!!!!

We went from 78,000 employee pre-9/11 to 47,000 today, we took Draconian pay cuts, cuts to benefits, changes in workrules, lost our retirement completely.

What did Jerry do for Delta??? HE hired Leo Mullin. He fell asleep at the wheel while on the BOD while Leo, Fred and Michelle ran Delta into the ground. Then when Jerry did become CEO he took 10 months to do an economic assessment of Delta. Ten months!!! He'd been on Delta's board for 20 years!!! After the assessment he stated he was shocked at the poor shape Delta was in???

The note is placed so it can be read by passengers from the gate area...and looks like the pilots are saying it...YGTBSM...99% of the PILOTS HATE JERRY!!!

I guess what really pissed me off the most is it puts words in my mouth that are so opposite my true feelings. It took restraint on the part of the crew not to open the windows and either peel the note off or find spray paint and paint over it. A quick way to some time though...so we didn't...

I am looking out the window at it as we speak. It is at gate D2 in SLC. That sucks for you guys...the words are horiffic. It reads: "JERRY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP FROM THE 47,163 EMPLOYEES OF DELTA" Untrue words from the majority of pilots at Delta I would imagine....​

 

[CRJammin]

Go Delta! Go Grinstein! Yea! Rah, Rah-Ree!

Sad.

 

[General Lee]

Go Delta! Go Grinstein! Yea! Rah, Rah-Ree!

Sad.

Sad? Are you talking about your life flying an RJ? At least Grinstein gave back the $10 million bonus he would have gotten from DL and gave it to a fund for scholarships and emergencies for Delta employees and their families. Look what the other CEO's did with their bonuses. Grinstein wasn't a savior, since he hired Leo Mullin, but he did OK in the end. Hopefully he will leave us in good hands with Whitehurst leading and Bastian staying as CFO.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Vikedog64]

I recently flew a DAL 757 ship 638 with the new DAL paint job. Paint job was o.k. but the aircraft had an offensive and insulting note painted on both sides of the aircraft right under the cockpit windows. The note looked like a cartoon balloon text coming from the Capt's window on one side and the F/O's window on the other side. Basically the note said we the 47,000 Delta employees would like to thank our CEO Jerry Grinstein for his leadership.

What a joke!!! Management painted a thank you note to JERRY!!!

HE WAS A BIG REASON WHY WE GOT INTO BANKRUPTCY IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

HERE'S AN IDEA!!! HOW ABOUT THANKING THE EMPLOYEES!!!!

We went from 78,000 employee pre-9/11 to 47,000 today, we took Draconian pay cuts, cuts to benefits, changes in workrules, lost our retirement completely.

What did Jerry do for Delta??? HE hired Leo Mullin. He fell asleep at the wheel while on the BOD while Leo, Fred and Michelle ran Delta into the ground. Then when Jerry did become CEO he took 10 months to do an economic assessment of Delta. Ten months!!! He'd been on Delta's board for 20 years!!! After the assessment he stated he was shocked at the poor shape Delta was in???

The note is placed so it can be read by passengers from the gate area...and looks like the pilots are saying it...YGTBSM...99% of the PILOTS HATE JERRY!!!

I guess what really pissed me off the most is it puts words in my mouth that are so opposite my true feelings. It took restraint on the part of the crew not to open the windows and either peel the note off or find spray paint and paint over it. A quick way to some time though...so we didn't...

You my be angry, but did you ever think that Daltas BK was at least 15 years old. DAL never knew how to compete..everytime SWA entered a market, we retreated but yet we awarded our employees record contracts(at least the pilots!) Do not spew all this crap about how the pilots took the brunt. With the cash payouts the pilots had, is it any wonder why the remaining were left with the bag? ALPA negotiated this contract and has to live with it. At least General Lee recognizes it...

 

[Corona]

I recently flew a DAL 757 ship 638 with the new DAL paint job. Paint job was o.k. but the aircraft had an offensive and insulting note painted on both sides of the aircraft right under the cockpit windows. The note looked like a cartoon balloon text coming from the Capt's window on one side and the F/O's window on the other side. Basically the note said we the 47,000 Delta employees would like to thank our CEO Jerry Grinstein for his leadership.

What a joke!!! Management painted a thank you note to JERRY!!!

HE WAS A BIG REASON WHY WE GOT INTO BANKRUPTCY IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

HERE'S AN IDEA!!! HOW ABOUT THANKING THE EMPLOYEES!!!!

We went from 78,000 employee pre-9/11 to 47,000 today, we took Draconian pay cuts, cuts to benefits, changes in workrules, lost our retirement completely.

What did Jerry do for Delta??? HE hired Leo Mullin. He fell asleep at the wheel while on the BOD while Leo, Fred and Michelle ran Delta into the ground. Then when Jerry did become CEO he took 10 months to do an economic assessment of Delta. Ten months!!! He'd been on Delta's board for 20 years!!! After the assessment he stated he was shocked at the poor shape Delta was in???

The note is placed so it can be read by passengers from the gate area...and looks like the pilots are saying it...YGTBSM...99% of the PILOTS HATE JERRY!!!

I guess what really pissed me off the most is it puts words in my mouth that are so opposite my true feelings. It took restraint on the part of the crew not to open the windows and either peel the note off or find spray paint and paint over it. A quick way to some time though...so we didn't...

Wow. That is just beyond appalling.

I've noticed that Sharpie brand markers are very good at holding up to weather over the years. Perhaps a pilot could "help out" the line guys with "cleaning the windows" some day.

I would.

C

 

[SpiderMan]

That is what life is like for the working class. Youre opinion doesn't matter to anyone who matters, ie, management. You can bitch and moan all day, but at the end of the day you are just another worker. Remember capitalism is great.

 

[Vikedog64]

That is what life is like for the working class. Youre opinion doesn't matter to anyone who matters, ie, management. You can bitch and moan all day, but at the end of the day you are just another worker. Remember capitalism is great.

Thanks Spiderman...

 

[astroglider]

Vikedog = airline pilot hater

Vikedog64,

Yo Vikedog chilll for a second... you said, "Do not spew all this crap about how the pilots took the brunt."

Reread my post...I never said that...I don't believe it either. You're reading between the lines through obvious mainline-pilot-hater glasses. Just step back a second and take a deep breath. Then reread the post. I wrote about all the DAL employees not just the pilots.

I do completely agree with you though the Delta bk was at LEAST 15 years in the making. I predict Delta will be back in bk within two years due to some sort of international event disrupting our international expansion.

Airline Industry Factoid:

U.S. domestic airline market = cyclical industry

International airline market = violently cyclical industry destroying all but the airlines either partially or fully owned by their respective governments.

So where do you think Delta is heading?

Astroglider

 

[Mooneymite]

You my be angry, but did you ever think that Daltas BK was at least 15 years old. DAL never knew how to compete..everytime SWA entered a market, we retreated but yet we awarded our employees record contracts(at least the pilots!) Do not spew all this crap about how the pilots took the brunt. With the cash payouts the pilots had, is it any wonder why the remaining were left with the bag? ALPA negotiated this contract and has to live with it. At least General Lee recognizes it...

Untrue.

You don't have a clue what went on at Delta.

Prior to the Western Merger, where Grinstein got his claws into Delta, Delta could compete effectively in any chosen market because its costs were low. The secret to its low costs were a non-union work force and ownership of its fleet. Delta bought its equipment outright. No banks, no leasing companies.

When Grinstein worked himself onto the BOD, he got rid of the Woolman era board members who were all getting old. He stuffed the board with people whose business "ethics" matched his.

Grinstein brought 13 737-300's over from Western that had the most unfavorable leases ever seen in the industry. Delta couldn't fly the airplanes 25 hours a day and make a profit. Guess who profitted from those leases?

Then since those leases lost so much money. guess what the "enlightened board did? They sold off most of Delta's owned aircraft to leasing companies and leased back at higher than market rates. This little fact came out in the bankruptcy proceedings. What Grinstein did was take all the profits out through the equipment leases and never let any money hit the bottom line where he would have to share with the employees or stockholders.

Leo was brought on board specifically because of his connections with GE Capital and Michelle and her girlfriend were brought onboard to protect the leasors "should" a bankruptcy occur.

Yes, Grinstein is a real hero....

Check out his friends. A real swell bunch.

 

[Vikedog64]

Untrue.

You don't have a clue what went on at Delta.

Prior to the Western Merger, where Grinstein got his claws into Delta, Delta could compete effectively in any chosen market because its costs were low. The secret to its low costs were a non-union work force and ownership of its fleet. Delta bought its equipment outright. No banks, no leasing companies.

When Grinstein worked himself onto the BOD, he got rid of the Woolman era board members who were all getting old. He stuffed the board with people whose business "ethics" matched his.

Grinstein brought 13 737-300's over from Western that had the most unfavorable leases ever seen in the industry. Delta couldn't fly the airplanes 25 hours a day and make a profit. Guess who profitted from those leases?

Then since those leases lost so much money. guess what the "enlightened board did? They sold off most of Delta's owned aircraft to leasing companies and leased back at higher than market rates. This little fact came out in the bankruptcy proceedings. What Grinstein did was take all the profits out through the equipment leases and never let any money hit the bottom line where he would have to share with the employees or stockholders.

Leo was brought on board specifically because of his connections with GE Capital and Michelle and her girlfriend were brought onboard to protect the leasors "should" a bankruptcy occur.

Yes, Grinstein is a real hero....

Check out his friends. A real swell bunch.

I was with Western in 1985- 87. When Delta bought us, we all felt like we had walked into a time warp. No computers in either the F/A lounges or pilots. Everything was done by paper. However, most of us were glad to be with DAL. Yes, the costs were low but DAL in the 80's and 90's were a large regional carrier. Then we bought Pan Am. Paid way too much and almost went into BK over that but luckily EAL went out of business. Another 7 years with no competition in ATL. Sigh of relief. Then came Valujet.. What do we do? Sell our DC-9's to them. OH OH now what do we do????? Therin lies the story. We didn't know what to do. I had a talk with Glen Hauenstein, one of the executives we attained from CAL and when he looked at our fleet and how it was utilized, he laughed and couldn't believe we hadn't filed sooner. When he went into his first meeting with DAL execs, they were dumbfounded . He said they were still thinking that it was the DAL of the past. I've said it before that this company made money in spite of themselves over the years. And you are right about the a/c leases. Paid way too much but what were the lease rates then? And all during this, the pilots were pissed at Ron Allen(rightly so) and were determined to garner a industry leading contract, even though the writing was on the wall and DAL could not afford it, and ALPA probably knew it. But hey, its all about dues and keeping the rank and file happy right? I know a little more than you think. We are da.n lucky we are still here...

 

[Vikedog64]

Vikedog64,

Yo Vikedog chilll for a second... you said, "Do not spew all this crap about how the pilots took the brunt."

Reread my post...I never said that...I don't believe it either. You're reading between the lines through obvious mainline-pilot-hater glasses. Just step back a second and take a deep breath. Then reread the post. I wrote about all the DAL employees not just the pilots.

I do completely agree with you though the Delta bk was at LEAST 15 years in the making. I predict Delta will be back in bk within two years due to some sort of international event disrupting our international expansion.

Airline Industry Factoid:

U.S. domestic airline market = cyclical industry

International airline market = violently cyclical industry destroying all but the airlines either partially or fully owned by their respective governments.

So where do you think Delta is heading?

Astroglider

Astro, I have no idea what will happen in the future. You are right about how cyclical this industry is. I am not a pilot hater..I have flown with them over 22 years and only a few I didnt care for. I believe that DAL is doing what it has to do to survive. But I do agree with you that something will happen in th future to disrupt Intl. traffic. But will it be long term? The world is pretty resiliant.