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tailhookah

Just be the ball, Danny..
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All you DAL guys out there... I know there's a TA out there, but if you could answer some questions regarding your bennies now I'd appreciate it. I will come back next year, be on 7th year pay and am married w/ 2 kids.

What's your healthcare like and what does it cost you? I'd be doing the family plan. Are there high, medium and low plans? How much do they cost per month?

I'd commute to JFK probably to the 76ER. How many days per month would I be on short/long if on reserve? I commute from IAD.

If I have a line, how many days per month usually do you work for how many hours?

Is the new medical any better?

How much profit sharing did you guys get last year? Is it paid into your 401k's or in cash... what was the percentage?

I am a CA at Jetblue on 8th year pay. Help me dig through these questions, I really appreciate any help.

Tailhookah
 
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All you DAL guys out there... I know there's a TA out there, but if you could answer some questions regarding your bennies now I'd appreciate it. I will come back next year, be on 7th year pay and am married w/ 2 kids.

What's your healthcare like and what does it cost you? I'd be doing the family plan. Are there high, medium and low plans? How much do they cost per month?

I'd commute to JFK probably to the 76ER. How many days per month would I be on short/long if on reserve? I commute from IAD.

If I have a line, how many days per month usually do you work for how many hours?

Is the new medical any better?

How much profit sharing did you guys get last year? Is it paid into your 401k's or in cash... what was the percentage?

I am a CA at Jetblue on 8th year pay. Currently 140/hr. Help me dig through these questions, I really appreciate any help.

Tailhookah

If you came back, you could also fly other planes in NYC and not have to be on reserve. NYC also has the 320, MD88, and 737. Healthcare is not too bad, it is taken out of your two checks per month, and there are different plans you can choose from. Some have higher deductables, etc. It isn't as great as when you left, but BK can do that to anyone.

Bottom guy on the NYC 767ER might not be a very good choice. Reserve isn't as great as it used to be, and there is an increase in productivity for this upcoming TA. Some reserves complained about not making enough money (70 hours min), so they upped it to 72-80, but can bring you up to Average line Value plus 15 hours, which could be in the 90s per month during busier months. The past 6-8 months have been slower, with some people flying zero hours in a month. If the TA goes through, there will be 88 717s coming, which means training for a lot of people plus newhires, which means people on reserve may fly more (or they may get a line while moving up as people bid off and bid other planes).

If you have a line, you can bid close to the average line value published every month. The Summer months are more, and the Winter are less. Probably close to 76-80 hours as a line holder most months. I would definitely find a plane you can be a line holder on, and sit on that until you can be sure of being a 767ER FO lineholder in NYC. If it will take a couple years, choose the 320 and stay on that, since you are comfortable on it now. Be senior and have a schedule. Your pay may be close to your current pay after the raise kicks in.

Profit sharing last year was 5% of your W2. It will be the same for the next Feb 14th check next year. The year after that could be less if this TA passes, by about 1/3, but if the year is a GREAT year and the profits are more than $2.5 billion (analysts say it could happen), then profit sharing could be MORE, and the pilots would share 20% of the profit. If below $2.5 billion, it would be 10% (down from 15% normally).


Good luck. There will be a lot of retirements in the next 10 years, a chance at another 19% pay raise over only 3 years if the TA goes through, and movement due to new aircraft arrivals. They are tied in with RJ growth, so if mainline doesn't grow, neither do the RJs. No one sided RJ growth. Better ratios for mainline vs RJ flying too.



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
You forgot the DRs note if you call in sick. Too many sick calls and they can demand your health record. Lovely.
 
You forgot the DRs note if you call in sick. Too many sick calls and they can demand your health record. Lovely.


Too many sick calls? They can call you right now too if you exceed a certain amount of days off in a row. If you were sick for 2 weeks in a row, I would think Delta would want to call and see if you are ok. If you aren't, maybe someone should get you help. Do you plan to be sick for 2 weeks in a row? They don't get doctor's notes for all sick calls, just really long ones. Welcome back to reality.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
GE...

Thanks for the reply. I am looking for specific ammounts you guys pay per month for the health care premium. I can't seem to find it in the contract or TA. Also, I know I can hold a 320 or even 757. But I want to know how many days on rsv. guys have to sit scall and lcall...

thanks... 'tail
 
GE...

Thanks for the reply. I am looking for specific ammounts you guys pay per month for the health care premium. I can't seem to find it in the contract or TA. Also, I know I can hold a 320 or even 757. But I want to know how many days on rsv. guys have to sit scall and lcall...

thanks... 'tail

Right now it is 6 short calls(they may have allowed one more Short Call per month in the new TA), but they are different for INTL and domestic categories. For INTL (7ER), there are 6 24 hour call outs. That means 24 hours being within 2 hours of the airport. That can be 12noon one day, until 12noon the next (not exactly 1 day--can roll into 2). Any domestic short call is 12 hours. That can be from 7am to 7pm, which can a lot more commutable down to IAD. Remember, if you have a 7am shortcall start, you really don't have to be available for 2 hours, so you can take an 8am flight and be at JFK by 9am, and be ready to go, even for a 7am short call.

And you may want to ask a married guy with kids about how much he/she pays for medical. I only have a cute wife.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
GE...

Thanks for the reply. I am looking for specific ammounts you guys pay per month for the health care premium. I can't seem to find it in the contract or TA. Also, I know I can hold a 320 or even 757. But I want to know how many days on rsv. guys have to sit scall and lcall...

thanks... 'tail

Im on the Diamond HSA pla. It's 137/month for family. Preventive care is 100% and a $2300 deductable individual or $4500 family deductable. Then it's 90% coverage until you pay $500/$1500 individual/family copay then 100% covered. Last year it was better as it was 100% after initial deductable. Hope this help.
 
Gold HRA Plan for family of 4: $114.50 per paycheck, withheld on a pre-tax basis. 100% for preventative, 80/20 for everything else. $1000 individual deductible, $3000 family. HRA (Delta's money not yours) pays the first $1500 dollars of your responsibility per year, whatever it may be (deductibles, 20% coinsurance, etc)
 
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Because that is a balance sheet transaction, no a P/L item....

The 4 periods tells me u think ur right so assuming you are, thanks. Us regional folks dont receive training on things like balance sheet transactions and weather radar. Hope u understand.
 
short call is no fun on the ER. They've been doing this 0330-0330 one, which means 2 nights in the crashpad if you're a commuter.
 
The 4 periods tells me u think ur right so assuming you are, thanks. Us regional folks dont receive training on things like balance sheet transactions and weather radar. Hope u understand.

NO problem. Not trying to be a smart guy, I was explained the same thing. It's basically like you have a savings account full of money, and spend some money on a car. Now your net worth should be the same, just less cash and added a car for value. The purchase of the car does not effect your monthly paycheck (P/L), only what you have had in savings (balance sheet).

Hope this helps. Luckly about the weather radar; I've sat and watched that infamous black & white video from the early 80's too many times and still don't pick up all the info :)
 
I flew with a JB CA last week, mulling over the same stuff. He said there are between 60-80 JB CA's that have DL call back rights and will have to make a decision in the next 6-12 months of the TA passes.
He had a full blown spread sheet with all kinds of info on both company's (including a lot of assumptions of course) that was kind of interesting. He had 14 yrs left and and it showed he'd retiring with about the same total pay if he stayed or went to DL but retirement would be almost doubled (again assuming a snapshot of today) if he went back.
He lives in a DL base but by the sounds of it he was still about 50/50 on what to do. I, like any good blood sucking FO should be, tried to show him how good things would be at the big D ?
 
I'm one of those JB Ca's and for me with only 10 years to go the spread sheet says stay put. Any younger and I'd be jumping. Also once you make the decision to stay you start recieving some of the Pension Guarantee trust money. For me its just beer money at around $200/month. Live in a JB base, and probably won't be working to the end so it all adds up to staying put and hoping things don't get worse.
And maybe if 3A pays big I can quit right then!!!!
 
I think that is a horrible decision banger and should without a doubt go back to Mother D.
 
the Pension Guarantee trust money

???? pray tell. I know nothing about this. At NWA we got a payout when the DB pension was cancelled, but that was from the company. Does the pbgc pay out as well? Is this a dal thing or does everyone get it????

tail
 
Well I was DAL not NW but when they disolved our pension under banckruptcy we got a cash payout and also a PBGC account which pays an annuity based on something (years of service? money made?) not really sure but mine as I mentioned only ended up being like $200/month and I was at DAL only 9 months total so I'm not complaining. If you google it you can find the PBGC website and you can search to see if there is maybe something for you. Good luck!
 
???? pray tell. I know nothing about this. At NWA we got a payout when the DB pension was cancelled, but that was from the company. Does the pbgc pay out as well? Is this a dal thing or does everyone get it????

tail
Um....No. That's some slim understanding you have there of the NWA pension.

First, it was not cancelled, it was frozen. The plan still exists but former NWA pilots have not been accruing any additional benefits since it was frozen years ago. PBGC has nothing to do with it since the plan was not terminated, as the DAL pension was. One difference its that the DAL pilot can get his PBGC payments when he turns 60, even if he keeps flying for DAL. The NWA pilot cannot start drawing his frozen pension until he actually retires. Anyway, it's all DC plan going forward now.
 
Um....No. That's some slim understanding you have there of the NWA pension.

Thanks slim... I was furloughed at the time. Didn't get the memo. I did get a cash settlement due to your pension being frozen, but mine was terminated. As far as I was "notified", I get nothing. So thanks for being so understanding about my lack of knowledge regarding the frozen pension that I got absolutely NO information from NWA or the PBGC about. My wife is in the PBGC from UAL, so I do understand how the pbgc works, just was surprised by the nice DAL guy who pointed it out and asked a question to get more info. Nice flame homie... thanks for the info slim. I'll be more informed next time we meet.

Tail
 
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Al........................................................................................Cooter.........
Progress... everywhere... digging... digging... digging!!!!!
 
Thanks slim... I was furloughed at the time. Didn't get the memo. I did get a cash settlement due to your pension being frozen, but mine was terminated. As far as I was "notified", I get nothing. So thanks for being so understanding about my lack of knowledge regarding the frozen pension that I got absolutely NO information from NWA or the PBGC about. My wife is in the PBGC from UAL, so I do understand how the pbgc works, just was surprised by the nice DAL guy who pointed it out and asked a question to get more info. Nice flame homie... thanks for the info slim. I'll be more informed next time we meet.

Tail
Seriously?

Relax Francis....you still don't get it. Why do you think you would have received any info from the PBGC? The NWA pilot pension plan was NOT terminated, it was frozen. Yours too, furloughed or not. The PBGC does not get involved unless the pension plan is distress terminated. Yours was not terminated. You could look that up even as a furloughed guy. or, gasp...pick up the phone and call ALPA. It was big news at the time in '06...even here on FI.

Oh, and your welcome for the very specific info I provided in post #11 in response to your original question.

Cheers "homie"
 
Oh, and your welcome for the very specific info I provided in post #11 in response to your original question.

That's why I don't post here anymore. I was looking for info and got pounced by a dik who was angry that I didn't have the same info that he, the "lama" did....

I'll continue to look for total consciousness sir... thanks for the jaded info. As for you... stop visiting the jerk store. It may help you land and influence people better...

Cheers "slim"...
 
Seems like the attitude of this thread is pretty telling. New guy hired, just like anyone else who happens to fly a widebody now. 9/11, economy, furloughs- furloughs always happen, most have had to deal-
The difference- this group took the job they used to fly when they were hired, the one today's junior guy got hired to fly, and signed off on outsourcing that job. Now furloughed pilots have no vote- no say in what their company becomes. Then just pile on age 65 for the hell of it. What's another 5 years, when it's not you?

And look at the resentment the mainline guy has for the furloughed pilot. The lack of respect. Pretty standard. They don't want to think about what they did to their junior- so they get to an emotional point where the junior guy deserved it and should stop whining-

At least now that economic factors are working towards ending outsourcing you're about to vote for larger, more efficient airplanes to be gone, that way your undeserving junior (who are no different from you, btw. seriously, think about that- YOU at mainline have zero accomplishments that the furloughed guy doesn't as well. You just weren't sold out as bad by your senior) will still be jobless and have that barrier.

More domestic outsourcing= less pilots on the property with a vote who care about domestic.
 
Seriously?

Relax Francis....you still don't get it. Why do you think you would have received any info from the PBGC? The NWA pilot pension plan was NOT terminated, it was frozen. Yours too, furloughed or not. The PBGC does not get involved unless the pension plan is distress terminated. Yours was not terminated. You could look that up even as a furloughed guy. or, gasp...pick up the phone and call ALPA. It was big news at the time in '06...even here on FI.

Oh, and your welcome for the very specific info I provided in post #11 in response to your original question.

Cheers "homie"

Your response was still pompous and not necessary. You could have gotten the same information across without the small man mentality, but then where would be the fun in that?
 

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