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General Lee

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Delta Loss Narrows, But Hurdles Remain
Wednesday January 14, 9:28 am ET
By Meredith Grossman Dubner


CHICAGO (Reuters) - Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL - News), on Wednesday reported a narrower fourth-quarter net loss as revenues edged higher and it cut costs, but the carrier called the results disappointing and said it still faces many hurdles.
Squeezed by high costs and stubbornly weak demand, the No. 3 U.S. carrier has a new chief executive and is in the midst of contract talks with its pilots' union in an effort to further reduce costs.

The Atlanta-based carrier, the first major airline to report results for the last quarter of the year, posted a loss of $327 million, or $2.69 per share, for the fourth quarter. A year earlier, Delta reported a loss of $363 million, or $2.98 per share.

Revenue rose to $3.40 billion from $3.31 billion a year earlier.

The latest quarter included an after-tax charge of $134 million related to pilot pension plans. Delta had said in November that non-cash charges related to pilot retirements would increase its expected loss.

"Today's financial results are disappointing, especially given the expected performance of the other air carriers," Chief Executive Gerald Grinstein said in a statement. "2003 was a year full of significant financial challenges for Delta. While we have made progress in addressing these challenges, Delta still faces many hurdles in 2004."

Excluding the charge for the pension costs and other unusual items, Delta reported a loss of $207 million, or $1.71 a share.

Wall Street analysts on average had expected Delta to post a loss of $1.65 per share, with loss estimates ranging from $1.54 to $1.85 a share, according to Reuters Research, a unit of Reuters Group Plc.

Grinstein, who took over as CEO on Jan. 1, said the airline has begun a complete reassessment of its business -- including its approach to executive pay -- to ensure it remains competitive in a rapidly changing industry environment. As part of that review, Delta did not give top executives cash bonuses for 2003.

Grinstein replaced former CEO Leo Mullin, who unexpectedly announced his retirement in November after taking heat from workers and shareholders for his compensation.

Delta said it cut costs by about $1.2 billion in 2003, but the actual benefit of those cuts was only about $700 million because some costs rose. The carrier said the cost cuts largely reflected greater productivity among employees and increased use of technology.

Delta has asked its 8,500 pilots, its only major unionized group, to take paycuts of 22 percent and forfeit 2003 and 2004 raises of 4.5 percent each. Pilots offered in December to take 9-percent paycuts.

Delta said it ended the quarter with $2.9 billion in cash, including $2.7 billion in unrestricted cash.

Delta shares lost 11 percent in the fourth quarter and 2 percent in 2003. They closed at $12.14 on the New York Stock Exchange (News - Websites) on Tuesday, down 37 cents.




So there still was a loss, but it was better than last year. Apparently there was $207 million loss for the quarter, plus extras like a pension payment and other items. But, we still have the same amount of cash on hand---$2.9 billion with $2.7 of that unrestricted. And, it has the pilots in there---with our 9% offer (even though they forget to say that we also offered the 4.5% raise due in May--which would total 13.5% from the current contract). What is my take? We do need to give them some paycuts of some sort--which would help the overall picture.(I bet it will turn out to be around 15% plus the 4.5% raise, but that is a guess) I think that is why Dalpa hired an investment bank to look into the problems and come up with a solution. Now, let's hope we get some progress this year and it is a better year for everyone. 2004 has GOT TO BE a better year than 2003. (I hope so)

Bye Bye--General Lee


;) :rolleyes:
 
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Delta is looking more and more like United everyday! You guys (Delta top brass) better start tightening the belt or your pants are going down to your ankles....
 
General,
Just when I start to think all you post is anti-LCC and you drink heavly of the Delta Kool-Aid you go and post an article that is not posative and glowing of Delta. You have restored some faith in you ability to be some what neutral. Not a slam, I mean it in a posative.
 
FLB717,

No, I know there are some big problems. I am not blind to that. But, even in all of that mess, there are some sort of positive notes--like our cash flow not decreasing and revenue being up. And, a chunk of that loss was due apparently to that large pilot retirement in SEP--something that probably won't happen again. But, we still need to find out why we did lose that $207 million---and some of that could be helped by a pilot paycut of some sort.
(rememeber---we are something like 82% non-union--so the company does have control over costs on the employees without contracts too)

We are starting off a new with a new CEO, and that is progress. Hopefully we can come up with a better plan with this new guy. The economy is getting better, and we did reprot something like an $82 million operating profit for the quarter----which of course was lost in the other resulting losses.

Also, that article was off on the current number of pilots. Yes, we still have 8500 or so pilots on the seniority list, but 1060 of those are taking a 100% paycut being furloughed. We are down to something like 7500-7600 total flying pilots, and that was down from 10,100 pre-9-11. Amazing. Hopefully we can get better this year and start to bring some more of them back.

No, I am not blind to these problems, and I hope they are resolved sooner than later......Take care FLB717---I have to go fly now!

Bye Bye--General Lee :rolleyes: ;)
 
With the other Legacy Airlines taking cuts, how out of whack are Delta's rates with American, United, etc.? How about the LCC's?
 
My take:

On the plus side, revenues are improving which is certainly a good thing. Unfortunately, DL continues to lag the industry in cost control which is a big problem...especially in DL's attempts to compete against the LCC's.

As things stand now, DL will survive but will struggle to grow and remain competitive with the rest of the industry. DL not only needs billions to make debt payments and pension payments, but there are other huge outlays needed. If DL wants to stay competitive, they need to buy more 777's, 738's plus some type of 100 seater to replace the aging 732's. DL also needs to overhaul its international business product (DL has fallen behind the industry), overhaul the domestic product (also falling behind the industry except for Song), overhaul the JFK hub (which is a dump) and overhaul ASA (customer service is woeful).

On top of all this, DL's place in the Western US continues to shrink. SLC and DFW are on life-support and DL's strategy of shrinking to RJ's isn't going to work forever.

DL's management is in for a rough road.
 
General

What is disconcerning is that management expects a loss of between $300-350M in the first Quarter of 04. That doesn't take into consideration any special one time charges for pilot retirements as we saw this quarter. Long term strategic planning will be handcuffed, and will remain that way until your contract is settled.

This leaves a tremendous window of opportunity for AA, NW, CAL, and the LCC's to seize opportunities that will never present themselves again to DL.

It was reported in the Charlotte Observer this morning that the carriers interested in UAIR assets include DL, CAL, NW, and on the outside, Richard Branson. I have to believe that nothing will ever be consumated unless the contract is settled.
 
If Delta was serious about cutting costs they would merge their regional carriers. US Airways just figured that out. All that middle management is costing the airlines a fortune.
 
"there are some sort of positive notes--like our cash flow not decreasing and revenue being up." -General

I dont have a business degree, but I dont believe there are ANY positives to losing $343 million dollars.
 
How happy are Delta's customers? Why don't industry insiders write more about customer relations?

ASA is great in PFN. Class folks with nice attitudes. Going home to PFN however, is not the same. Everyone knows one half of the C concourse in ATL is horrendous. The sign says ASA, but the tickets and big banners say DELTA. I think fixing the issues right under their nose (poor service at home) would be a great start fixing this great company.
 
texanpilot said:
"there are some sort of positive notes--like our cash flow not decreasing and revenue being up." -General

I dont have a business degree, but I dont believe there are ANY positives to losing $343 million dollars.



tex, you must have slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Or maybe it was at the Paris Hilton...
 

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