Delta pilots want joint contract and parity

[Occam's Razor]

You've got a saddle broke horse that will come right to you, and you're trying to beat it. And, you're smiling at the same time?! I don't get it.

You don't? 'K. I'll add it to the list.

 

[Cobra17]

It sounds to me like the NWA guys turned down an immediate 18% raise fighting for unreasonable seniority integration and the Delta guys decided this thing was moving forward with or without them so they made a deal with DAL management. Good move from my prospective.

NWA pilots will either get on board or get steam rolled by an arbitrator if they push it that far. Better to get while the getting is good than to act unreasonable (as NWA pilots have a history of doing) and end up like the USAIR guys.

Wake up America! (to quote Earl Pitts)

Really? Which USAir guys are you referring to? Ask the poor west coast pilots how good they're feeling about the merger these days. Unfortunately for them, they didn't have a say in the merger, unlike Delta.

 

[FDJ2]

Really? Which USAir guys are you referring to? Ask the poor west coast pilots how good they're feeling about the merger these days. Unfortunately for them, they didn't have a say in the merger, unlike Delta.

Just curious, doesn't NWALPA have a voting member on the NWA BOD? How did he vote on the merger?

 

[Cobra17]

From the Delta MEC resolution AI 08-S09A passed on April 12, 2008:

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED the Delta MEC welcomes the Northwest pilots as partners in the building of the new merged airline and looks forward to working with the Northwest MEC to bring about the rapid completion of a new joint agreement to take effect on the closing of the corporate transaction providing immediate parity in rates of pay and further providing for a rapid completion of a fair and equitable integrated seniority list to take effect on the effective date of the new joint agreement....

Gee...this sounds familiar. Just replace Northwest and Delta with TWA and American....what's not to like?

 

[FDJ2]

Gee...this sounds familiar. Just replace Northwest and Delta with TWA and American....what's not to like?

Apples to oranges.

No one is asking the NWA pilots to surrender integration protections. Your contract is intact.

LOA19 was an economic package, negotiated by the exclusive leverage Delta pilots brought to the table.

If you want to work towards gaining parity, then you will have to negotiate it. The best road forward is a joint collective bargaining agreement.

You've already missed "peak leverage", because your MEC made the critical mistake of assuming there was no timeline for getting it done with the TFA.

Back in February and March I was posting that there was no time for the traditional Huff and Puff of SLI negotiations. I said time was short. By mid march I said the deal was dead. Guess what, it was dead. You let the opportunity pass you by. You over played your hand. Your next play was to encourage management to pressure us into "expedited arbitration", whatever that means. Sorry buddy, but that dog don't hunt.

At the end of the day, the Delta pilots would not squander an opportunity to get contractual gains and equity because we had to sit on our hands while your MEC could not committ to rapidly concluding a negotiated SLI.

Where do we go from here? I suspect you will thrash around, blame others, light your hair on fire for a bit, but don't take too long. Because once again, there is a timeline for getting back to work and achieving a suitable joint collective bargaining agreement.

If you decide that the best course of action is to continue to light your hair on fire and blame others, don't come whining on FI about how you were left out in the cold, when in reality you allowed opportunity to once again pass you by.

The Delta pilots want to get together and negotiate a joint collective bargaining agreement ASAP. It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to get on board and start negotiating, because not doing so will only result in being left out in the cold again, but if that's your choice again, I'll respect it.

 

[nonstop]

You've already missed "peak leverage", because your MEC made the critical mistake of assuming there was no timeline for getting it done with the TFA.

Weren't you the one that kept posting over, and over, and over, and over in every single thread on the topic "NWA MEC stop calling us we don't want to talk" when they were trying to resume negotiations to prepare for the inevitable? Suddenly now they're the ones at fault? Your arguments all run in circles, your credibility to be the least bit unbiased on anything related to DAL ALPA is zilch.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

I have a question for my delta brothers(I use that term lightly)? If/when mgt takes thier next union dividing step of shrinking one side of the operation and growing the other, whats the plan? I think I know the answer. We will do what is in the best interest of our members/ourselves. Sounds alot like the pilots hired at CAL btw 83-85 now doesn't it?

 

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Ask your ALPA Rep for an official source. This is how I read it:

Such pre-merger aircraft of the acquired airline will be operated by airmen on its seniority list. Nothing in

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Section 1 D. 8. d. [/FONT]will apply to prevent the Company from removing any aircraft from the fleet of either airline. In the event aircraft are removed from either fleet prior to the operational merger the Company and its affiliates will make reasonable efforts consistent with the then existing financial and operational needs of the service, to ensure that the ratio of the total number of aircraft block hours operated by pilots to the aircraft block hours operated by airmen of the acquired airline ("block hour ratio") is not reduced below the block hour ratio that existed on the date the Company or any affiliate acquired control of the acquired airline.​