Delta Pilots promise to strike!

[wmuflyguy]

I hope you were drunk when you typed that. Although I'm fairly certain I agree with what you were attempting to write. Ohplease is, generally speaking, a complete idiot and has more disagreements with his/her fellow ASA pilots than anyone else I can think of. Good luck to all of us, because we're all screwed.

-Blucher:bawling:

Nah, not drunk, english ain't my thing.

 

[Blucher]

Nah, not drunk, english ain't my thing.

Copy dat!

-Blucher

 

[Salty Pirate]

Yes, the quote from Lee Moak, our MEC Chair, was that if the CONTRACT was thrown out, we would strike. That is primarily because we would have no more protections, and really no more seniority list. Look at Lee Moak's statement from the stand in the above post.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Still waiting for that debate about the fact that you were gushing over being Mesa's bitch. Jump on that RJ flying you clown. I really like the stance that all you young guys at Delta have no carrot dangled in front on you like other legacy carriers. How about that ever popular carrot of an empty fridge and defaulted mortgage. How about the fact that your wuss kids won't get enough allowance to gas up the golf cart and role around that weak a$$ city you knobs built south of the airport. How about your blown out unoriginal wives running low on scrap booking materials. How about the fact that 99% of your self worth is attained by donning that stupid sailor suit and hanging with the rest of your porn stache wearing squadron buddies. How about the prospect of you tools having to work for a living again. You guys have plenty to lose and you know it. You WILL EAT WHAT EVER IS FED TO YOU AND LIKE IT.

THANK YOU SIR MAY I HAVE ANOTHER

 

[General Lee]

Still waiting for that debate about the fact that you were gushing over being Mesa's bitch. Jump on that RJ flying you clown. I really like the stance that all you young guys at Delta have no carrot dangled in front on you like other legacy carriers. How about that ever popular carrot of an empty fridge and defaulted mortgage. How about the fact that your wuss kids won't get enough allowance to gas up the golf cart and role around that weak a$$ city you knobs built south of the airport. How about your blown out unoriginal wives running low on scrap booking materials. How about the fact that 99% of your self worth is attained by donning that stupid sailor suit and hanging with the rest of your porn stache wearing squadron buddies. How about the prospect of you tools having to work for a living again. You guys have plenty to lose and you know it. You WILL EAT WHAT EVER IS FED TO YOU AND LIKE IT.

THANK YOU SIR MAY I HAVE ANOTHER

Say what? Being Mesa's Bitch? How is that again? Jetblue set the 100 seat rates, not us. AWA increased them a bit, and we have those now I believe. (TA'd) Do you think 100 seaters are RJs? Oh, you are mad about us saying a big NO to your 79 seat plans. Sorry about that. You MIGHT get some more 70's to REPLACE the 50 seaters, but NOTHING larger. Nope. We have the votes. Now, can you really debate me, or do you just like saying bad words for affect? You suk at debating. And, we do have plenty to lose, but we won't give in again because that invites them back for more later. You know that you dumba$$. You need to get that salty taste out of your own mouth and start realizing that we will either save our scope and you will get none, or you and I will both be out of a job, but I will have better experience than you and get a job faster. Oh well. Arrrggg me matie! Bye now. YOU LOSE, AGAIN.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[On Your Six]

Delta pilots have never walked a picket line and only ridden off the coat tails of other major contracts. This is all posture, smoke and mirrors, and for ALPA to justify to their apes that they........ care. Their arrogance is what got them into this mess and continues today. You see it in the likes of the General and his bunch and his all knowing holy than art thou posts. Delta pilots gave up scope in the 90's for higher pay. They had a chance to correct it at the ALPA BOD in 2000 but were to full of themselves to even consider it. They are now reaping what they sowed and it will get worse, much worse because............DALPA has never struck, never will, and they don't have the collective motivation to do it and management knows it. They've spent much time and money studying this group. They of all majors are in it for themselves. Not the case with United, NW and American. Laugh every time you see the General spout off about what they will do or won't. Mark my words, a dumb down agreement will be signed by DALPA and they will call it victory but again, Delta will not strike.

Thanks for your commentary Mr. Grinstein. You're rambling a bit though... Watch what happens - if the contract is voided a STRIKE WILL HAPPEN.

 

[On Your Six]

Still waiting for that debate about the fact that you were gushing over being Mesa's bitch. Jump on that RJ flying you clown. I really like the stance that all you young guys at Delta have no carrot dangled in front on you like other legacy carriers. How about that ever popular carrot of an empty fridge and defaulted mortgage. How about the fact that your wuss kids won't get enough allowance to gas up the golf cart and role around that weak a$$ city you knobs built south of the airport. How about your blown out unoriginal wives running low on scrap booking materials. How about the fact that 99% of your self worth is attained by donning that stupid sailor suit and hanging with the rest of your porn stache wearing squadron buddies. How about the prospect of you tools having to work for a living again. You guys have plenty to lose and you know it. You WILL EAT WHAT EVER IS FED TO YOU AND LIKE IT.

THANK YOU SIR MAY I HAVE ANOTHER

Bitter? You are a serious tool. How about some intelligence here???? DAL pilots will strike if the contract is thrown out - simple as that.

 

[ohplease!]

Bitter? You are a serious tool. How about some intelligence here???? DAL pilots will strike if the contract is thrown out - simple as that.

strike, strike, strike! Please strike moron. Please!!

 

[Flying Ninja]

Odds of Delta Striking now 5000 to 1. All bets in! Minimum bet $20! If Delta strikes, I pay out big money! Come one, come all!

 

[General Lee]

strike, strike, strike! Please strike moron. Please!!

Get back to work OhPlease! You didn't clean off those tables, and the bathroom still stinks. You said you needed this job at Wendy's, so get to work! NOW!!!

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ohplease!]

Get back to work OhPlease! You didn't clean off those tables, and the bathroom still stinks. You said you needed this job at Wendy's, so get to work! NOW!!!

Bye Bye--General Lee

I don't need a job at wendy's. I'll have your soon enough.

 

[General Lee]

I don't need a job at wendy's. I'll have your soon enough.

Let's not turn this into a gay thing. That isn't my thing, not that there is anything wrong with that. Quit hitting on me. It must be the Delta pilot uniform.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Salty Pirate]

Say what? Being Mesa's Bitch? How is that again? Jetblue set the 100 seat rates, not us. AWA increased them a bit, and we have those now I believe. (TA'd) Do you think 100 seaters are RJs? Oh, you are mad about us saying a big NO to your 79 seat plans. Sorry about that. You MIGHT get some more 70's to REPLACE the 50 seaters, but NOTHING larger. Nope. We have the votes. Now, can you really debate me, or do you just like saying bad words for affect? You suk at debating. And, we do have plenty to lose, but we won't give in again because that invites them back for more later. You know that you dumba$$. You need to get that salty taste out of your own mouth and start realizing that we will either save our scope and you will get none, or you and I will both be out of a job, but I will have better experience than you and get a job faster. Oh well. Arrrggg me matie! Bye now. YOU LOSE, AGAIN.


Bye Bye--General Lee

1. I pointed out the huge carrot dangled in front of you.
2. My quality of life will be a hell of a lot easier to maintain when this ship sinks than yours
3. not one word I wrote can't be said on FCC radio
4. you will cave on scope, you already did by allowing more 70's
5. your best excuse is to blame other airlines for the pay rates
6. I believe those long things mesa flys with 90 seats that you said you would jump on for the same rates are RJ's ( I can find the exact quote if you really want me to.)
7. and you do wear a sailor suit
Please point out which statement is not true.

 

[Salty Pirate]

Bitter? You are a serious tool. How about some intelligence here???? DAL pilots will strike if the contract is thrown out - simple as that.

Sorry if the shoe fits in the above description.

 

[On Your Six]

strike, strike, strike! Please strike moron. Please!!

Moron? Classy response. Enjoy your next flight to Dothan...

 

[WSurf]

And, it is great that you KNEW ahead of time what would happen. Did you know about 9-11 too before that happened? Why didn't you tell someone

Bye Bye--General Lee

Now General!! Right when I was being to like you, I turn around and you say something so childish!
All I said was that when you guys gave Delta Management your last give backs I said they would come back for more! You said, 'Nope thats it'!!
I was just letting you know, "THEY WANT MORE MONEY AGAIN"!!
Look at US Airways, American West, Jet Blue, AirTran etc. Those are the payrates you will have to compete with!!! Example!!!

12 Year Captain SouthWest 737 190.00 Hr.
12 Year US Airways A330 Captain 168.00hr
12 Year FO SouthWest 737 121.00hr
12 Year FO A330 Airways 109.00hr
You folks are heading right where US Airways is now!! Good Luck!!
I am rooten for you!!

 

[Alchemy]

What's with all the animosty towards Delta pilots and their struggle to maintain decent payrates and scope? Is it just a bunch of Delta Connection pilots afraid of losing their jobs and afraid that they'll never get to fly E195's for CRJ 200 rates? Wouldn't you like a decent paying job at Delta someday, or do you want to be flying the new 200 seat RJ for 50 bucks an hour 10 years from now?

I don't get it.....I hope Delta doesn't give up another shred on scope or payrates. I'm pretty sure Delta's creditors will be very dissapointed with management if they're forced to liquidate because of a pilot strike....

 

[WSurf]

I don't get it.....I hope Delta doesn't give up another shred on scope or payrates. I'm pretty sure Delta's creditors will be very dissapointed with management if they're forced to liquidate because of a pilot strike....

Very true!! I hope Delta can hold the line!! Anything over 70 Seats should be flown by a mainline Carrier!! I just know its gonna be a rough road for them. US Airways had the most tight locked scope of anyone!! And management broke it down! We now see CRJ900's being flown by Mesa that used to be 737's flown by mainline!! All this is making anyones chance of getting to a mainline job very hard!!
US Airways motto used to be, All jets will be flown by Mainline!! So even the WO's back in the Day couldn't fly them!!!
Good Luck Delta!!! I have to say the odds are really against you!! But good luck!!

 

[dtfl]

strike, strike, strike! Please strike moron. Please!!

You are an idiot - Shug lover.
What do you think will happen to your little company if we strike? Let me make a prediction...you wife gets tired of YOU sitting around and finds a SWA pilot.

 

[ohplease!]

Moron? Classy response. Enjoy your next flight to Dothan...

don't want to be called names? don't call others names. I'll tell the folks in Dothan you give your best wishes for them. By the way, where do you suppose those people from Dothan are headed? I'd bet they were going to get on a bigger jet with Delta painted on the side of it.

 

[ohplease!]

You are an idiot - Shug lover.
What do you think will happen to your little company if we strike? Let me make a prediction...you wife gets tired of YOU sitting around and finds a SWA pilot.

well, my little company will furlough until most of us until the next big thing steps into ATL and fills the void left by Delta. Then my little company will call back the furloughees and fly feed for the next big thing in ATL. If I get furloughed, I will make due until I am recalled or I will find something else to do and move on. Either way, your smug ass will be out of your dream job. I, by the way, have never dreamt of flying for Delta.

 

[D'Angelo]

What's with all the animosty towards Delta pilots and their struggle to maintain decent payrates and scope? Is it just a bunch of Delta Connection pilots afraid of losing their jobs and afraid that they'll never get to fly E195's for CRJ 200 rates? Wouldn't you like a decent paying job at Delta someday, or do you want to be flying the new 200 seat RJ for 50 bucks an hour 10 years from now?

I don't get it.....I hope Delta doesn't give up another shred on scope or payrates. I'm pretty sure Delta's creditors will be very dissapointed with management if they're forced to liquidate because of a pilot strike....

Quit drinking the kool-aid man. I could care a less if I ever goto a major or not. Im sure as hell not gonna roll over just because mainline ALPA said so. Sorry no more koolaid. BTW impeaching alpa is the best thing a delta pilot could do. That way you don't have to "hold the line" for nothing. Yea thats right some other airline will swoop right in and fly without batting an eye. It won't be struck work if you liquidate. Then what? You sit there collecting unemployment, no one even gives a crap about what you did and now you have just taken a lot larger paycut than if you would have used logical thinking. As far as comair goes I have no apologies if larger aircraft ever hit the property. Growth = QOL and I don't wanna start over.

 

[ohplease!]

Quit drinking the kool-aid man. I could care a less if I ever goto a major or not. Im sure as hell not gonna roll over just because mainline ALPA said so. Sorry no more koolaid. BTW impeaching alpa is the best thing a delta pilot could do. That way you don't have to "hold the line" for nothing. Yea thats right some other airline will swoop right in and fly without batting an eye. It won't be struck work if you liquidate. Then what? You sit there collecting unemployment, no one even gives a crap about what you did and now you have just taken a lot larger paycut than if you would have used logical thinking. As far as comair goes I have no apologies if larger aircraft ever hit the property. Growth = QOL and I don't wanna start over.

won't even collect unemployment. Can't get it if you walk away...

 

[HarryParatestes]

It's a Dog eat Dog world out there. Someone will live and someone will die. ASA and Skywest will probably live, regardless of what most of you guys think. Jerry A and his Boyz in St George aint stupid. They bought ASA at twice the size and half the money Delta paid. You might want to worry about the LCC's that will steal your domestic customers. If you think AirTran and JetBlue are not threats, think again. People don't care what airline they ride on, they just want a cheap seat and some friendly service.

Jerry A. might have been thinking of assests only. Delta will sink and take ASA (The worst airline in the US ) with it, leaving SKYW with a boatload of equipment and gates in ATL.

You are right LCC's what the publis wants. Business travelers want Legacy carriers like DAL and NWA, but cannot be their saviors. CEO's will see more profit in their pockets if they send sales rep's on LCC's. First and Business class are nice, but not worth the price of admission. Besides, most are filled with bitchy non rev's.

 

[Alchemy]

Quit drinking the kool-aid man. I could care a less if I ever goto a major or not. Im sure as hell not gonna roll over just because mainline ALPA said so. Sorry no more koolaid. BTW impeaching alpa is the best thing a delta pilot could do. That way you don't have to "hold the line" for nothing. Yea thats right some other airline will swoop right in and fly without batting an eye. It won't be struck work if you liquidate. Then what? You sit there collecting unemployment, no one even gives a crap about what you did and now you have just taken a lot larger paycut than if you would have used logical thinking. As far as comair goes I have no apologies if larger aircraft ever hit the property. Growth = QOL and I don't wanna start over.

That's a pretty poor way to look at things In my opinion. Call me a naive koolaid drinker if you must, but did you honestly get hired by Comair/ASA/whoever expecting it to be the final resting place of your career?

Who's going to swoop into ATL and fly planes for less money than DAL if they liquidate, other than AirTran and Jetblue who are (were) already doing it? Most other majors are already earning more than DAL:

SWA 5 Year 737 CA - $176/hr
AA 5 Year 737 CA - $150/hr
CAL 5 Year 737 CA - $135/hr
AS 5 Year 737 CA -$135/hr
NWA 5 Year A320 CA - $130/hr
DAL 5 Year 737 CA - $127/hr

Sure the DAL pilots would pay the price if they struck, but I do think it would benefit the rest of us. I still believe Comair's strike helped a lot of us RJ drivers earn better contracts, unforunately, it didn't help everyone and the concessions definitely won't.

 

[wmuflyguy]

well, my little company will furlough until most of us until the next big thing steps into ATL and fills the void left by Delta. Then my little company will call back the furloughees and fly feed for the next big thing in ATL. If I get furloughed, I will make due until I am recalled or I will find something else to do and move on. Either way, your smug ass will be out of your dream job. I, by the way, have never dreamt of flying for Delta.

The next big thing won't need, and will not want you.

 

[ohplease!]

The next big thing won't need, and will not want you.

the next big thing won't have to need me. They'll need SkyWest and they already have me. dumbass.

 

[tuna pimp]

well, my little company will furlough until most of us until the next big thing steps into ATL and fills the void left by Delta. Then my little company will call back the furloughees and fly feed for the next big thing in ATL. If I get furloughed, I will make due until I am recalled or I will find something else to do and move on. Either way, your smug ass will be out of your dream job. I, by the way, have never dreamt of flying for Delta.

The 'next big thing'? Who's that going to be? If DL dies, this is what will happen:

1. Every major carrier that currently serves ATL to their hubs are going to add flights to their hubs and increase guage to capture some of the traffic. No ASA feed needed. Maybe add some point to point RJ flying with Eagle or Expressjet or another inhouse small jet provider to cities in which they have a significant presence. AA to LGA for example. Or US to BOS.

2. Airtran will pull down service from other markets and probably add about 10-20 aircraft worth of flying back into ATL in their existing markets. Perhaps add on around 5 or so new markets in the short term. Order more new B737s longer term. Little or no ASA feed needed for that. Maybe they'll take some 70 seat flying from ASA if you're lucky and you can outbid Mesa, Chatauqua & Comair who are also suddenly quite desparate to place their aircraft.

3. Southwest and Jetblue likely enter the ATL market. WN enters a market as they typically do with 20 or 30 departures. JB adds 10-20 departures spread over JFK, LGB, FLL, MCO, TPA. Takes about 6 months to establish a new base. No ASA feed needed here.

4. Startup carrier announces they plan to begin operations in ATL. Takes maybe a year or so minimum to get the funding in place, get an operating certificate, maintenance program, proving runs, hire & train employees and get started flying. And that's if they pick up used DL aircraft to start operations after the inevitable DL garage sale is complete. Much longer if they get in line to order some nice new A320's or B737s. No ASA feed needed for at least a year there. And then again only if you can outbid the other former DL partner carriers for the flying.

ASA can try to keep going by flying high frequency from ATL to major US cities on the East coast and compete directly with the mainline jets flown by the existing competitors. You can forget about the small perimeter markets ASA serves today without the benefit of DL's ATL hub feed. For more info on the 'go it alone' strategy read up on Independance Air.

Wonder how long Skywest/ASA can bleed cash and could afford to make the payments on a couple hundred CRJs, ground equipment, plus a bunch of empty facilities and all the other personnel and overhead involved in running an airline with NO CASH coming through the door? Wonder how quickly they can get a couple thousand furloughed pilots back through recurrency training when the next 'big thing' comes around?

So if I were an ASA pilot I'd hope pretty strongly that DL & it's pilots get their sh*t together pretty darn quickly.

 

[doh]

I sit on the jumpseat a lot out of florida. I think the Deta pilots look and sound just like we did in 2001. I'm going to show the General a little love on this one. No seniority list, no pension, and no protections of any kind + strike. Did you know guys are leaving Delta to go other places now? No shyte, I've met a couple.

 

[737 Pylt]

I'll preface this by saying I think, no I KNOW, you and your buddies there at Delta are spineless, nutless and gutless pricks with overbloated egos. You'll NEVER take any kind of stance on anything.

Thanks, more intelligence from you I see! BTW I resemble that remark!

That being said, I truely hope, no I pray, you idiots will have your contract voided and get handed some pathetic deal to match your pathetic existence. Delta pilots have NEVER done anything for ANYONE but youselves. Period. You are the joke of the industry from top to bottom. You're the only ones who don't already know it. Its sad really but, couldn't happen to a more deserving group.

Hey I can't wait til you get put out on the street when we strike. A regional puke like you with no experience will be lucky at best to be working at 7-11!

I also pray that I am wrong about your resovle and you guy's do strike. I hope you do and I hope Delta crashes and burns. I will take great pleasure in seeing your lives sent into a spin. You deserve it. Jerks, the lot of ya'.

Hey, I heard you were diagnosed with HIV....May you live a short miserable painful life as some piss ant regional puke with no flying experience.
737
before all the regionall pilots start bashing me. Just take a look at this prick's post. Nothing but hate, just throwing it back at this immature little pathetic loser!

 

[WSurf]

Did you know guys are leaving Delta to go other places now? No shyte, I've met a couple.

Really? Hmmmm... Maybe if I was a junior pilot at Delta I would take a UPS or Fedex spot just to get out of the Airline Biz for more job security! Other then that I wouldn't leave Delta.