Delta Pilots promise to strike!

[kngarthur]

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060322/delta_pilots.html?.v=2

Good luck guys, we all want you to know---we're all counting on you.

I have a feeling these guys just might strike?

 

[Broke in CVG]

I think this quote says it all!!!

"Airline managements come and go. It's the employees who keep Delta flying."

 

[kngarthur]

I think this quote says it all!!!

"Airline managements come and go. It's the employees who keep Delta flying."

I know it's beautiful.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Delta Pilots promise to strike... it RICH... Beyotch..........

 

[RadioClash]

I'm confused. I understand that if the contract is thrown out then the Delta pilots said they will strike. The article states that if there are paycuts then they will strike. Whats the difference between the contract being thrown out and the pilots and mgt agreeing to another paycut?

Sounds to me like there is no compromise to be made other than mgt backing down and not getting the paycuts they want.

 

[Hambone]

Delta pilots have never walked a picket line and only ridden off the coat tails of other major contracts. This is all posture, smoke and mirrors, and for ALPA to justify to their apes that they........ care. Their arrogance is what got them into this mess and continues today. You see it in the likes of the General and his bunch and his all knowing holy than art thou posts. Delta pilots gave up scope in the 90's for higher pay. They had a chance to correct it at the ALPA BOD in 2000 but were to full of themselves to even consider it. They are now reaping what they sowed and it will get worse, much worse because............DALPA has never struck, never will, and they don't have the collective motivation to do it and management knows it. They've spent much time and money studying this group. They of all majors are in it for themselves. Not the case with United, NW and American. Laugh every time you see the General spout off about what they will do or won't. Mark my words, a dumb down agreement will be signed by DALPA and they will call it victory but again, Delta will not strike.

 

[blzr]

I'm confused. I understand that if the contract is thrown out then the Delta pilots said they will strike. The article states that if there are paycuts then they will strike. Whats the difference between the contract being thrown out and the pilots and mgt agreeing to another paycut?

Sounds to me like there is no compromise to be made other than mgt backing down and not getting the paycuts they want.

exactly. From What I have read, management wants to use bankruptcy to impose their will on the pilots. The pilots have already given all they should.

For what it's worth, I think delta will be just fine. Airways had been dying for a long time, they were just never pronounced dead and no one pulled the plug. Now they seem to be doing ok. The same will happen at Delta. there will be a few casualties along the way, but big D will survive intact.

 

[LegacyDriver]

I would never bash Delta but I agree there will be no strike. A half dozen companies since Comair have had the chance and all wussed out.

Nobody will assert themselves. Thus the managers of this debacle will see a huge bonus and the crews will get a long-term screwing.

 

[General Lee]

I would never bash Delta but I agree there will be no strike. A half dozen companies since Comair have had the chance and all wussed out.

Nobody will assert themselves. Thus the managers of this debacle will see a huge bonus and the crews will get a long-term screwing.

Other Legacies in this position always had some huge carrot hanging over them, like NW recently with their pension. They didn't lose any senior Captains(no lump sum payouts over there), and all of them have been counting on a pension. We, on the otherhand, had 2300 Captains leave in 18 months, with half of their pensions. We KNOW our's won't be around, so we can now focus on something else, like SCOPE. All of the loyal Captains that had 25 years and loved the "old Delta" and could NEVER see themselves NOT as a Delta Captain, are pretty much gone. We now have 250 Captains over 55 years old. That is it. So, will we assert ourselves? Ummmmm, YEAH. We won't vote in any TA that suks, and we all know that. I personally have never seen such discontent, and that includes senior captains that have NO more pension. They are pi$$ed.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[paid4training]

God this business is in the crapper!!! Not 50 years ago pensions and high pay were standard for Airline pilots. Working for the airlines was a great respectable thing to do. Kids used to want autographs from pilots. Now We tell the girls we try to meet we are Trashmen because it pays more. WFT? What the hell happened, one day pilots are heros and now we are trashmen!!! Maybe it is the FA uniform thing, maybe if they go back to hott pants our pay will increase?

Just joshin', I don't want to see Miquel the gay FA wearing Hott pants but you get my point?

 

[GogglesPisano]

I would never bash Delta but I agree there will be no strike. A half dozen companies since Comair have had the chance and all wussed out.

Not entirely correct.

 

[Flying Ninja]

LOL...strike...I'll believe it when I see it. My bet in Vegas is that Delta pilots will take another pay cut hit and we'll be doing this all over again in another 6 months to a year.

 

[WSurf]

LOL...strike...I'll believe it when I see it. My bet in Vegas is that Delta pilots will take another pay cut hit and we'll be doing this all over again in another 6 months to a year.

Yep, after the last pay cuts I told General they would come back for more! It sucks and I hope that they can hold the line! Next will be the threats of Chapter 7, they start turning in aircraft, furloughs..... Union then agree's on a TA and Pilots vote it in!
You got 2 choices when the guns at your head! You either close your eyes and cry (Which means to sign the TA)! Or you open your eyes, snatch that fukin gun from managements hands, and with brut force stick it up there pooper and begin unloading rounds!! (Don't know what happens on that outcome, but seems cool)!!
Good Luck Delta Guys, your gonna need it!

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

The strike won't happen. Period.

Why? Look to nature for a perfect analogy:

Parasites NEVER kill their hosts. Then they die, too.

 

[General Lee]

Yep, after the last pay cuts I told General they would come back for more! It sucks and I hope that they can hold the line! Next will be the threats of Chapter 7, they start turning in aircraft, furloughs..... Union then agree's on a TA and Pilots vote it in!
You got 2 choices when the guns at your head! You either close your eyes and cry (Which means to sign the TA)! Or you open your eyes, snatch that fukin gun from managements hands, and with brut force stick it up there pooper and begin unloading rounds!! (Don't know what happens on that outcome, but seems cool)!!
Good Luck Delta Guys, your gonna need it!

Wrong again. They have already restructured the leases on all planes that were not theirs. And, most of the angry ones (the majority by far) don't really care what happens. This will be all or nothing. And, it is great that you KNEW ahead of time what would happen. Did you know about 9-11 too before that happened? Why didn't you tell someone?

We will take this to the end, and my bet is that the creditors and the management don't want to lose their money (in future stock). Yeah, and we also know that.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Jon Rivoli]

General,

What do you make the odds at re Strike vs. acceptable TA. Emotions are high, but I'm hoping an agreement can be met. Seems like a poker game where both sides believe they have the best hand and it's "All in" on the 15th.

 

[General Lee]

General,

What do you make the odds at re Strike vs. acceptable TA. Emotions are high, but I'm hoping an agreement can be met. Seems like a poker game where both sides believe they have the best hand and it's "All in" on the 15th.

Jon,

I would think that the creditors will TELL management when they should settle. An acceptable TA? Well, they have to look at the demographics of our group now, with most of the over 55 crowd gone. If they can come up with an acceptable one, then I think it would pass. Nobody really wants to shut this thing down, but I really think that most won't go for a crappy TA. It only takes 50.1% to vote it down, and a lot of us are not happy with the current "non negotiating stance" of management. They seem to forget about the $1 billion a year we are still giving, besides the recent 14% we also gave up. Now they don't want to give us any credit for the eventual pension dump (which our financial analyst on the stand a few days ago stated was worth about $400 million in savings a year ($1.6 Billion over 4 years) ) and that is ridiculous. I think they wanted to give us a $330 million note, for 6000 pilots. (the $1.6 Billion savings is just for 4 years---what about over 10 years?) The pay cuts would have to stop, with possible snap backs, and scope would have to be addressed also. We shall see, but our Strike Preparedness Committee is doing a great job so far. Odds? 50/50.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ohplease!]

Wrong again. They have already restructured the leases on all planes that were not theirs. And, most of the angry ones (the majority by far) don't really care what happens. This will be all or nothing. And, it is great that you KNEW ahead of time what would happen. Did you know about 9-11 too before that happened? Why didn't you tell someone?

We will take this to the end, and my bet is that the creditors and the management don't want to lose their money (in future stock). Yeah, and we also know that.

Bye Bye--General Lee

I'll preface this by saying I think, no I KNOW, you and your buddies there at Delta are spineless, nutless and gutless pricks with overbloated egos. You'll NEVER take any kind of stance on anything.

That being said, I truely hope, no I pray, you idiots will have your contract voided and get handed some pathetic deal to match your pathetic existence. Delta pilots have NEVER done anything for ANYONE but youselves. Period. You are the joke of the industry from top to bottom. You're the only ones who don't already know it. Its sad really but, couldn't happen to a more deserving group.

I also pray that I am wrong about your resovle and you guy's do strike. I hope you do and I hope Delta crashes and burns. I will take great pleasure in seeing your lives sent into a spin. You deserve it. Jerks, the lot of ya'.

 

[General Lee]

I'll preface this by saying I think, no I KNOW, you and your buddies there at Delta are spineless, nutless and gutless pricks with overbloated egos. You'll NEVER take any kind of stance on anything.

That being said, I truely hope, no I pray, you idiots will have your contract voided and get handed some pathetic deal to match your pathetic existence. Delta pilots have NEVER done anything for ANYONE but youselves. Period. You are the joke of the industry from top to bottom. You're the only ones who don't already know it. Its sad really but, couldn't happen to a more deserving group.

I also pray that I am wrong about your resovle and you guy's do strike. I hope you do and I hope Delta crashes and burns. I will take great pleasure in seeing your lives sent into a spin. You deserve it. Jerks, the lot of ya'.

Wow. That was classic. I bet if we crashed and burned you would be able to stay at home with your kids for good, until your home went away.

There is no way we will work without a contract, since the seniority list would also vanish. No more merger protection, no more fragmentation protection, etc. Nope, we would stop flying, and so would you. See you at Wendy's! I am the manager by the way----you need to clean up and wipe up the tables out front. I am NOT going to say it again, get going out there! NOW!!! And clean the bathroom after that. NOW!!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ohplease!]

Wow. That was classic. I bet if we crashed and burned you would be able to stay at home with your kids for good, until your home went away.

There is no way we will work without a contract, since the seniority list would also vanish. No more merger protection, no more fragmentation protection, etc. Nope, we would stop flying, and so would you. See you at Wendy's! I am the manager by the way----you need to clean up and wipe up the tables out front. I am NOT going to say it again, get going out there! NOW!!! And clean the bathroom after that. NOW!!


Bye Bye--General Lee

I don't need a paycheck to pay our bills. My wife makes plenty.

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

There is no way we will work without a contract, since the seniority list would also vanish. No more merger protection, no more fragmentation protection, etc. Nope, we would stop flying,


Bye Bye--General Lee

WRONG

When all cards are on the table, you will accept the worst possible contract and keep flying, since that's still better than having no job at all.

Odds are nil for a strike.

Look at the DL preferred stock price.....up about 35% in 2 weeks......the insiders are not buying your strike bluff, either.

 

[atlcrashpad]

As much as I think DAL pilot group will not strike, I wish someone would take a stand on the "pay cut" issue and say NO! If you guys are serious, then STRIKE and tell Jerry Grinchstein "[EMAIL=" your pay cuts ] your pay cuts [/EMAIL], let this Titanic sink before we cave".

 

[blzr]

I'll preface this by saying I think, no I KNOW, you and your buddies there at Delta are spineless, nutless and gutless pricks with overbloated egos. You'll NEVER take any kind of stance on anything.

That being said, I truely hope, no I pray, you idiots will have your contract voided and get handed some pathetic deal to match your pathetic existence. Delta pilots have NEVER done anything for ANYONE but youselves. Period. You are the joke of the industry from top to bottom. You're the only ones who don't already know it. Its sad really but, couldn't happen to a more deserving group.

I also pray that I am wrong about your resovle and you guy's do strike. I hope you do and I hope Delta crashes and burns. I will take great pleasure in seeing your lives sent into a spin. You deserve it. Jerks, the lot of ya'.

Auburn people say the craaaaziest things.

 

[scopeCMRandASA]

I'll preface this by saying I think, no I KNOW, you and your buddies there at Delta are spineless, nutless and gutless pricks with overbloated egos. You'll NEVER take any kind of stance on anything.

That being said, I truely hope, no I pray, you idiots will have your contract voided and get handed some pathetic deal to match your pathetic existence. Delta pilots have NEVER done anything for ANYONE but youselves. Period. You are the joke of the industry from top to bottom. You're the only ones who don't already know it. Its sad really but, couldn't happen to a more deserving group.

I also pray that I am wrong about your resovle and you guy's do strike. I hope you do and I hope Delta crashes and burns. I will take great pleasure in seeing your lives sent into a spin. You deserve it. Jerks, the lot of ya'.

and yet the Delta pilots are the ones with the egos. Riiiiiggghhhtttttt. Tough talk from a guy who probably paid for training. At the very least, one of those tough talking rj drivers with small jet syndrome. I ran into a lot of you types there.

Glad to be gone

 

[atlcrashpad]

It's a Dog eat Dog world out there. Someone will live and someone will die. ASA and Skywest will probably live, regardless of what most of you guys think. Jerry A and his Boyz in St George aint stupid. They bought ASA at twice the size and half the money Delta paid. You might want to worry about the LCC's that will steal your domestic customers. If you think AirTran and JetBlue are not threats, think again. People don't care what airline they ride on, they just want a cheap seat and some friendly service.

 

[wmuflyguy]

I'll preface this by saying I think, no I KNOW, you and your buddies there at Delta are spineless, nutless and gutless pricks with overbloated egos. You'll NEVER take any kind of stance on anything.

That being said, I truely hope, no I pray, you idiots will have your contract voided and get handed some pathetic deal to match your pathetic existence. Delta pilots have NEVER done anything for ANYONE but youselves. Period. You are the joke of the industry from top to bottom. You're the only ones who don't already know it. Its sad really but, couldn't happen to a more deserving group.

I also pray that I am wrong about your resovle and you guy's do strike. I hope you do and I hope Delta crashes and burns. I will take great pleasure in seeing your lives sent into a spin. You deserve it. Jerks, the lot of ya'.

And Delta Pilots have the Egos?

Your trully a moron, or the post is just flame. then again you will still be a moron.

 

[RadioClash]

General Lee,

You probably missed my question due to all of the bashing on this thread.

The article stated that if there are anymore paycuts at DAL then the pilots will strike. I was under the impression that if the contract was thrown out then you all would strike. Are we talking about the same thing here? Is a paycut the same as the contract being thrown out?

I sincerely hope that it works out for Delta. My brother has been with them for 15 years. I haven't talked about with him because it is kind of a touchy subject with him.

 

[Blucher]

And Delta Pilots have the Egos?

Your trully a moron, or the post is just flame. then again you will still be a moron.

I hope you were drunk when you typed that. Although I'm fairly certain I agree with what you were attempting to write. Ohplease is, generally speaking, a complete idiot and has more disagreements with his/her fellow ASA pilots than anyone else I can think of. Good luck to all of us, because we're all screwed.

-Blucher:bawling:

 

[General Lee]

WRONG

When all cards are on the table, you will accept the worst possible contract and keep flying, since that's still better than having no job at all.

Odds are nil for a strike.

Look at the DL preferred stock price.....up about 35% in 2 weeks......the insiders are not buying your strike bluff, either.

From Lee Moak (DAL MEC Chair) to Gerry Ginstein directly FROM THE STAND yesterday:


"I'm going to tell you right now, Gerry, the deal is simply this. I'm up to the edge of the cliff, I'm looking over, I'm not blinking. This contract is rejected. We're striking. The Delta pilots will strike. We'll deal with you in a business manner. We will not deal with you under pressure. We will not blink. I do not blink."




I think you MAY BE WRONG, AGAIN.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

General Lee,

You probably missed my question due to all of the bashing on this thread.

The article stated that if there are anymore paycuts at DAL then the pilots will strike. I was under the impression that if the contract was thrown out then you all would strike. Are we talking about the same thing here? Is a paycut the same as the contract being thrown out?

I sincerely hope that it works out for Delta. My brother has been with them for 15 years. I haven't talked about with him because it is kind of a touchy subject with him.

Yes, the quote from Lee Moak, our MEC Chair, was that if the CONTRACT was thrown out, we would strike. That is primarily because we would have no more protections, and really no more seniority list. Look at Lee Moak's statement from the stand in the above post.


Bye Bye--General Lee