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Delta, Pilots Headed to Arbitration
Wednesday March 1, 5:22 pm ET
By Harry R. Weber, AP Business Writer Delta, Pilots Headed to Arbitration Over Pay Cut Talks, No Deal Reached by Wednesday Deadline



ATLANTA (AP) -- No deal was reached by a Wednesday deadline between Delta Air Lines Inc. and its pilots over long-term pay and benefit cuts, sending the carrier's request to throw out its pilot contract to arbitration.
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document.write union that represents the Atlanta-based airline's 6,000 pilots says it will strike if its contract is voided. The nation's third-largest carrier has described a strike as "murder-suicide" and said such action would put it out of business.
The two sides had until 5 p.m. EST to reach a deal on their own or have a three-member panel of arbitrators step in.
The sole purpose of the arbitrators, who will hold two weeks of hearings at a downtown Washington hotel starting March 13, is to decide whether to grant Delta's request to throw out its contract with its pilots so the airline can impose $325 million in cuts unilaterally.
Nothing precludes the sides from continuing to negotiate up to and through the hearings.
The two sides agreed to arbitration instead of letting the bankruptcy court make the decision. Delta filed for bankruptcy in New York in September.
Negotiators for both sides met Wednesday, but did not reach a deal by the deadline. Another negotiating session was expected Friday, company spokesman Bruce Hicks said.
There was no immediate comment from the union, though a spokesman said a statement was expected.
The company had offered to reduce its long-term concessions request to $315 million, while the union is currently offering about $115 million in average annual concessions. Late Wednesday, the company said it lowered its request another $10 million to $305 million. The pilots, in late 2004, agreed to a five-year deal that cut pay and benefits by $1 billion annually. It included an immediate 32.5 percent pay cut.
In December, Delta and its pilots reached an interim deal on pay cuts that would be replaced by the long-term deal the sides are currently discussing.
Also Wednesday, Delta said in a memo circulated among employees that it has offered to increase its pilots pay 1 1/2 percent at the end of 2008 and another 1 1/2 percent in 2009. Delta is now offering its pilots a $330 million note instead of $300 million in the event it terminates the pilots defined benefit pension plan. The pilots are asking for a $1 billion note.
According to the company, the average pay of pilots last year who worked the full year was more than $157,000.
The arbitrators would have several weeks from the end of the hearings to make a decision, and rank-and-file pilots have not yet voted on a strike authorization, meaning no strike is imminent.
 
This already had a thread on it, but as I said before this was all expected. Delta will ride this train as long as they can. The three arbitrators are experienced in this industry, rather than a judge that concentrates on BK law. This can last 45 more days, but the arbitrators can rule at any time, and only for or against the 1113c process. In the meantime, there will be negotiations, and even if the three arbitrators rule to drop the contract, we will strike because without a contract, we have no obligation to continue to work. Also, with no contract, all fragmentaion, seniority, merger protection, and other issues go away. No one will work without those. If that happens, then the money train will stop for the creditors and management also, who all stand to gain millions of $$$ in new issued stock, just like UAL did.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
I've got one..DAL and NWA both strike...both companies go away...Mesa picks up all the flying and takes over the world?
 
CFIT said:
Generaltard,

Will you be wearing your pretty flowered dress when you bend over to grab your ankles?

You wont strike.
This is quality entertainment!

You can't strike if you wanted to at SkyWest. You are ridiculous. And, it is fun watching you guys at SkyWest too----it is great that the company pays for your "association" leaders. Still looking for that 1.2% raise? Where is it?

I am glad you think we won't strike. It'll be great to prove you wrong with an upcoming strike vote to start things off. But keep watching, and make sure you spend some time looking at your own situation. It aint that great.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Hey General,
When is the last time Delta pilots had the stones to strike?

Oh, and also maybe you can explain to me why SkyWest pilots are forbidden from striking...
 
Ben Dover said:
Like I said, nobody has ever shown me where in the said act it applies to non-union airlines.

You have a contract. Do you not?

You also have an "association." I would imagine that in the eyes of the law and in the eyes of management you are bound by the Railway Labor Act.
 
CFIT said:
Generaltard,

Will you be wearing your pretty flowered dress when you bend over to grab your ankles?

You wont strike.
This is quality entertainment!

I believe that the DAL pilots will strike if the contract is taken away! My hats off to them and the best of luck!
 
Ben Dover said:
Oh, and also maybe you can explain to me why SkyWest pilots are forbidden from striking...

When have the SkyWest pilots ever had the stones to strike?
 
It is just the fact, no group at any airline is going to stop the downward spiral by sacrificing their livelihood. They will fly at half pay and hope someone else comes through for them. The people who run these companies know this all to well.

We saw it with the NW F/As, lets see how long before the pilots have a T/A?
 
gkrangers said:
I've got one..DAL and NWA both strike...both companies go away...Mesa picks up all the flying and takes over the world?

Here's a better one: DAL and NWA and JB merge into one LCC based out of Cape Girardeau, MO. To increase revenue, "blueNorth/Delta" starts charging people to look at the tvs. No pay, no look. Welding helmets will be distributed to those non-paying, non-looking customers on a complimentary basis.

The new CEO, General Lee(oh) Mullin, was overheard to say "...and to think I got all these ideas on flightinfo.com!"
 
Reading this thread, and several others, I am disgusted by the number of posts taunting NW and DL pilots to strike. And basically saying they won't, because they have no cojones.

I can only imagine that the idiots posting these remarks have never actually been on strike themselves. If they had, they would know it's not a farkin' walk in the park. A strike is not a gung-ho, back-slapping adventure -- and it represents a complete failure of good-faith negotiating. The fact that NW pilots have voted to authorize one -- and that DL pilots will be voting to do so -- says volumes about their testicular fortitude.

So, to the whiners and baiters: let's see your strike credentials. Prove to me that you know what it's like when the direct deposit and the health insurance stop. And if you can't do that, STFU about the pilots who are facing this decision.
 
81Horse said:
The fact that NW pilots have voted to authorize one -- and that DL pilots will be voting to do so -- says volumes about their testicular fortitude. quote]

I put it right up there with a "Beware of Dog" sign on your backyard fence and a "I'm the NRA" sticker on your bumper.

All show
 
81 horse, that was a good post. I've always been a believer that peoples opinions say more about themselves than the people they are opining about.

Good luck to all at DAL and NWA, your in a shet fight, but you'll get through it. Too much money is at stake.
 
81Horse said:
Have you ever been on strike?


Yep, non airline though. It seemed to be more about the union than the cause. The union leaders came out and seemed very pleased with what they saw but would not walk.

Like you said when the direct deposit threat hits, reality will sink in.
There will be no strike.
 
I certainly hope that the DAL and NWA pilots get it all worked out and don't have to strike. A strike is something that none of us should ever have to experience. With that said, it would be nice to see the DAL pilots strike so we could watch all the SKYW pilots fly struck work and see them show up on the SCAB list. Most of the pilots there would not honor a picket line and you would see SKYW pilots flying lots of struck DAL work.
 
Well, I hope Delta pilots don't strike. I work at ASA and if Delta goes, ASA goes too. But, at the same time, I don't blame the Delta pilots for making a stand. I don't understand how a previous CEO of Delta and a bunch of his VP's can MORALLY flee the company after receiving their "retention" bonuses. I just cant see how that's ethical. Oh well, maybe i'm the minority. Then two rounds of concessions where employees are losing TONS of money while the execs are being given bonuses. I basically just wanted to say best of luck to the Delta pilots and if it comes necessary to strike, you have my full support. If Delta tanks, which I fully expect, my hat's off to you Delta pilots for taking a stand. Enough is Enough....
 
CFIT said:
Yep, non airline though. It seemed to be more about the union than the cause. The union leaders came out and seemed very pleased with what they saw but would not walk.

Like you said when the direct deposit threat hits, reality will sink in.
There will be no strike.

CFIT,

Ok, let me try to explain this to you. The reason we would strike is if our contract---the whole contract---is thrown out. Without a contract, all of your protections are GONE. No merger protection, no fragmentation protection, no more seniority list---they could sell off the MD88s and all of the pilots, including the Captains, could be furloughed. Get it yet? People who would vote no on this have no clue what could happen without a contract to protect them. Look at our mechanics---no contract---most are getting the axe. That is why the strike VOTE will pass. The alternative is very bad.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
81Horse said:
Reading this thread, and several others, I am disgusted by the number of posts taunting NW and DL pilots to strike. And basically saying they won't, because they have no cojones.

I can only imagine that the idiots posting these remarks have never actually been on strike themselves. If they had, they would know it's not a farkin' walk in the park. A strike is not a gung-ho, back-slapping adventure -- and it represents a complete failure of good-faith negotiating. The fact that NW pilots have voted to authorize one -- and that DL pilots will be voting to do so -- says volumes about their testicular fortitude.

So, to the whiners and baiters: let's see your strike credentials. Prove to me that you know what it's like when the direct deposit and the health insurance stop. And if you can't do that, STFU about the pilots who are facing this decision.

I won't attempt to taunt anyone into going on strike. I do hope that both NWA and DAL pilots strike. I think that all of the "suicide" talk in reference to a strike is management propaganda. Does anyone really believe that management is willing to just shut it down? I don't think they will, their weapon is a fear machine, and they're putting that machine into high gear as we speak. They would like to convince us all that a strike would result in an immediate loss of our/your jobs. I for one, would rather walk that continue to see the job degrade.

Here's what I'd really like to see: all ALPA pilots sit for a day or two. If Duane Woerth was a real leader, we'd have already organized such an event.

What are they going to do? Fire us all?
 
:-) said:
I won't attempt to taunt anyone into going on strike. I do hope that both NWA and DAL pilots strike. I think that all of the "suicide" talk in reference to a strike is management propaganda. Does anyone really believe that management is willing to just shut it down? I don't think they will, their weapon is a fear machine, and they're putting that machine into high gear as we speak. They would like to convince us all that a strike would result in an immediate loss of our/your jobs. I for one, would rather walk that continue to see the job degrade.

Here's what I'd really like to see: all ALPA pilots sit for a day or two. If Duane Woerth was a real leader, we'd have already organized such an event.

What are they going to do? Fire us all?

I agree completely.

I'm agreeable today -- in another thread, I even read something by pilotyip that I think I agree with. ;)
 

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