Delta Operational Procedures Amplified (DOPA)

[Diesel-9]

Coming out in September. Anyone have any info? Sounds like SOPA/SMAC is coming, under a new name of course. Doubt D.O.P.A. will stand.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Seriously? Won't matter if the sim instructors keep teaching contrary to Vol. 1 normal procedures. IE: "That's not the way its done on the line" WTF? Change the book then.

Coming out in September. Anyone have any info? Sounds like SOPA/SMAC is coming, under a new name of course. Doubt D.O.P.A. will stand.

 

[Rough67]

Coming out in September. Anyone have any info? Sounds like SOPA/SMAC is coming, under a new name of course. Doubt D.O.P.A. will stand.

Great.... Right after I finish my training :/

 

[Diesel-9]

Great.... Right after I finish my training :/

Hey, feel lucky to be remembered as one of the last to go thru the pre-historic schoolhouse.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Yes, I have heard of it. Sounds like there will be many changes within Flight Ops going forward. Not sure if this was approved yet though.

 

[jester757]

Seriously? Won't matter if the sim instructors keep teaching contrary to Vol. 1 normal procedures. IE: "That's not the way its done on the line" WTF? Change the book then.

LOL. You mean you NWA guys actually read the books?

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

check your pm's

LOL. You mean you NWA guys actually read the books?

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

seriously? This is needed??

 

[Gorditas]

I hope this is true. Delta is the least standard of any airline I have flown for. I don't understand the "big box" mentality. It creates ambiguity where there should be none, and gives us more rope to hang ourselves with.

 

[redflyer65]

They should adopt the Song manual and do away with both DL and NW. It's for the best.

 

[General Lee]

They should adopt the Song manual and do away with both DL and NW. It's for the best.

So, how many AirTran guys are senior to you? Give me an approximate number. Is Ty senior to you?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[gutshotdraw]

It is a rather unfortunate acronym.

Of course, they could have called it Delta Operational Procedures, Enhanced and been even more to the point.


C'mon fellas, lighten up....

 

[redflyer65]

So, how many AirTran guys are senior to you? Give me an approximate number. Is Ty senior to you?


Bye Bye---General Lee

Aren't you just a little bit jealous that those former Airtran guys are going to make more than you Genital? Man, that's got to hurt after all the years thinking they were below you. Maybe you can ask them for a loan.


Oh, the IRONY!

Not sure what that has to do with Song though.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

I hope this is true. Delta is the least standard of any airline I have flown for. I don't understand the "big box" mentality. It creates ambiguity where there should be none, and gives us more rope to hang ourselves with.

Apparently NWA was very rigid and standard in their procedures whereas Delta is more of a just "get er done" mentality. Probably somewhere in the middle is where we wanna be.

 

[nwaf16dude]

I hope this is true. Delta is the least standard of any airline I have flown for. I don't understand the "big box" mentality. It creates ambiguity where there should be none, and gives us more rope to hang ourselves with.

I might be the only one, but mark me down as a former north guy that prefers the "south" way.

 

[General Lee]

Aren't you just a little bit jealous that those former Airtran guys are going to make more than you Genital? Man, that's got to hurt after all the years thinking they were below you. Maybe you can ask them for a loan.


Oh, the IRONY!

Not sure what that has to do with Song though.

When? Not according to our new rates. They won't get your pay until 2015 anyway. I'll probably be a 737 capt by then easily. How about you? What about Ty? Ouch.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

When? Not according to our new rates. They won't get your pay until 2015 anyway. I'll probably be a 737 capt by then easily. How about you? What about Ty? Ouch.


Bye Bye---General Lee

When? Right now. The guys that have transititioned are making around 153/hr for straight time. I've heard they have already figured out our lucrative premium system, so I'm sure they are making more than their old AAI pay, and actually more than you too!

Ty? He's going to enjoy it when he makes the switch. All the AAI guys that I've run into have been cool. Unlike some of the DL Riverboat guys.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I hope this is true. Delta is the least standard of any airline I have flown for. I don't understand the "big box" mentality. It creates ambiguity where there should be none, and gives us more rope to hang ourselves with.

I entirely disagree.......as a South guy....

Delta wasn't crashing planes left and right but deviate ONE LINE off of the old SOPA and you are hung......rather than given wiggle room.

Safety is most important, but to what detail?

 

[General Lee]

When? Right now. The guys that have transititioned are making around 153/hr for straight time. I've heard they have already figured out our lucrative premium system, so I'm sure they are making more than their old AAI pay, and actually more than you too!

Ty? He's going to enjoy it when he makes the switch. All the AAI guys that I've run into have been cool. Unlike some of the DL Riverboat guys.

With the your down sizing in ATL and SLC and deferring planes, I don't think you will have any raises in your immediate future either. Sounds like your management may actually ask for concessions? Good luck with that.

And it is great you are friendly with some of your future Captains, the AirTran guys. They will control the discussions in your cockpit. I bet you will get the legs on all the allnighters. (yeah, you will eventually do them. Maybe LBB allnight to ISP?).


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[dicko]

When? Right now. The guys that have transititioned are making around 153/hr for straight time. I've heard they have already figured out our lucrative premium system, so I'm sure they are making more than their old AAI pay, and actually more than you too!

Ty? He's going to enjoy it when he makes the switch. All the AAI guys that I've run into have been cool. Unlike some of the DL Riverboat guys.

The guys that have transitioned ..........YHGTBFSM ?

Less than 10% of AirTran pilots will have transitioned by the end of 2012. The other 90% are at AirTran enjoying their Southwest induced paycuts

The only guys making $151 an hour are the 17 year AirTran Captains flying as FO's, after a paycut Down to that rate.

Theres your reality check for the day Red. Now, head back to the pipe and try not to set your hair on fire again.

 

[redflyer65]

Dicko,

Here's your reality dude...

The top Dallas FOs are ex-AAI guys that are making big money. And just a reminder, that is the most senior base in our system...they are number one and two. That is a fact.

IF you're pissed about getting paid less right now, I suggest you call your MEC. They are the ones that flushed your lottery ticket.

I've run into at least five out of over a hundred, and they've all been great. I've heard the same from other SW guys. FAs are laid back too. Ran into some at the bar the other night.

How did I get that wrong?

 

[dicko]

Dicko,

Here's your reality dude...

The top Dallas FOs are ex-AAI guys that are making big money. And just a reminder, that is the most senior base in our system...they are number one and two. That is a fact.

IF you're pissed about getting paid less right now, I suggest you call your MEC. They are the ones that flushed your lottery ticket.

I've run into at least five out of over a hundred, and they've all been great. I've heard the same from other SW guys. FAs are laid back too. Ran into some at the bar the other night.

How did I get that wrong?

I agree with everything you said. With the exception of the MEC comment. They don't pay me, GK does. It was his decision, aided and abetted by SWAPA. Reference my Avatar.

Those top FO's in DAL made a lateral move at best money wise. They spent their days at AirTran working 12 days a month at a swim up bar, on 150% of $174 an hour. Their position and seniority at SWA are not a valid example.

Yes they're good guys and girls, just like the vast majority of the SWA people. That's not the issue.

 

[TNPILOT]

Anything is an improvement on our current books. The very fact that the ER fleet publishes a doc starting each section with "where does it say...." speaks volumes.