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General Lee

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Delta Is on Track to Emerge
From Bankruptcy in May
By ANN KEETON
March 27, 2007 12:36 p.m.

CHICAGO -- Delta Air Lines Inc. is on track to emerge from bankruptcy on May 1, expecting to issue new shares in the airline in the first week of May, Ed Bastian, chief financial officer, said during an investor day conference Tuesday.

As is typical in a bankruptcy reorganization, current stock in the airline will become worthless when new shares are issued. To emerge from bankruptcy, the airline's financial plan needs to get approval in April from creditors representing two-thirds of the value of all claims. Mr. Bastian said he sees no problem in getting that approval.

Delta, the third-largest U.S. airline by passenger traffic, has posted annual losses since 2001. The airline said Tuesday that it expects to turn a profit in 2007, with pretax income of $816 million, excluding special and reorganization items.

Revenue per seat mile, a standard industry measure, is expected to grow 4% this year, Delta said, better than the projected 2007 industry growth rate of 1.5%.

So far this year, revenue from international business has been stronger than expected, Mr. Bastian said, which gives Delta the opportunity to generate better-than-expected passenger revenue this year.

Jim Whitehurst, chief operating officer, said Delta's long-term strategy is to increase revenue to equal the industry average, while keeping costs below the average. The airline, which has been challenged on the revenue side, expects to achieve parity with the industry by the end of 2008. Mr. Whitehurst said Delta is planning to improve customer satisfaction, while continuing to cut costs.

As it emerges from bankruptcy, Delta expects to reduce its adjusted net debt to $7.6 billion in 2007 from $17 billion in 2005.

Mr. Bastian said the airline expects to generate $5 billion of free cash in each of the next three years. Top priorities at the airline will be to update its fleet of aircraft, improve facilities in New York -- which is its second-largest hub airport after Atlanta -- and improve operations at its Delta Connections unit, Mr. Bastian said.

In particular, Delta is looking at buying new Boeing 787 aircraft. While Boeing is sold out of that aircraft model for the first few years of production, Mr. Bastian said Delta, as a top customer of Boeing, likely has some wiggle room for acquiring aircraft.

Mr. Bastian said Delta has completed plans for a long-term strategy at JFK International airport in New York City, but the airline "needs to be looking at alternatives" to its current facilities there, as competition heats up from other airlines. Delta's goal is to generate sustained profitability in the New York market, while holding the biggest market share at JFK and LaGuardia airports combined.

Mr. Bastian said Delta is looking at selling some assets, including its Comair regional carrier. Delta is on track for cutting costs, excluding fuel, by 27% since 2003, Mr. Bastian said.

Fuel cost, which averaged $2 a gallon in 2006, is expected to average $2.06 per gallon this year, Delta said. The airline has forecast that fuel will rise 5% per year.

Later this week, the airline expects to announce a board of directors. The board will look for a new chief executive to replace Gerald Grinstein, who has said he will leave the company after it emerges from Chapter 11. (See related article.)

Speaking at the conference Tuesday, Mr. Grinstein said Delta's creditors' committee will choose the 11-member board. At least three current board members will be included in the new group.

Mr. Grinstein has said he would like an internal candidate to succeed him as CEO. Messrs. Bastian and Whitehurst are seen as top contenders for the job. Delta this year fought a hostile takeover by US Airways Group Inc. Mr. Grinstein said he doesn't see airline-industry consolidation happening for a few years. When mergers do occur, Mr. Grinstein said he expects Delta to be an acquirer.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
you forgot the part where Mr.G says he does not see any legacy mergers for the next 3-5 years but he does see the possibilitie of legacies buying an LCCs.....:rolleyes:.........
 
Yes, that is something that is in there as well. Wait and see what they do after April 30th.

The 787 will probably replace all of the 767's.
 
Yes, that is something that is in there as well. Wait and see what they do after April 30th.

The 787 will probably replace all of the 767's.

Not so fast.

While all aircraft are eventually replaced, the average age of the 767 fleet at DAL is only 11.5 years. There is still plenty of flying to be done by the 767s.
 
who cares, new hires will be fo's for life. Everybody that was supposed to retire ranaway, everybody thats left aint going nowhere. it doest matter if its a 767, 777, or a 787. no newhire will see it as capt. for 20-25 yrs.
 
who cares, new hires will be fo's for life. Everybody that was supposed to retire ranaway, everybody thats left aint going nowhere. it doest matter if its a 767, 777, or a 787. no newhire will see it as capt. for 20-25 yrs.

Dunno bout you, but I'd rather be a 20 yr. FO at a major, than a senior captain/FO at a regional!!!
 
Delta Is on Track to Emerge

In particular, Delta is looking at buying new Boeing 787 aircraft. While Boeing is sold out of that aircraft model for the first few years of production, Mr. Bastian said Delta, as a top customer of Boeing, likely has some wiggle room for acquiring aircraft.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Go ask American and United, they will also tell you the same thing....that they the top customers and they have the ability to cut through the line. It's just that there are *tons* of airlines lining up to buy the aircraft, and this seems like an awful wishful thinking. Even if Delta ordered some B787s tomorrow, the first one will probably be delivered when Continental and Northwest would already be flying 10 of them for a quite some time.
 
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yes but DAL, UAL, AA can all get them from leasing company's that have slots.

Or if Boeing is smart they'd just open up more production lines. Lets remember that sold out production lines, and no wiggle room is why US, NWA & UA now have 320's and not NG737's!
 
who cares, new hires will be fo's for life. Everybody that was supposed to retire ranaway, everybody thats left aint going nowhere. it doest matter if its a 767, 777, or a 787. no newhire will see it as capt. for 20-25 yrs.

98 hires were awarded captain positions on this last bid. I guess that makes your "uneducated guess" look rather silly!
With much more growth with new airplanes coming, plus new orders after emergence from bk, I'd expect that to go down substantially.
Why not send me your resume so I can help you get hired!;)

737
 
98 hires were awarded captain positions on this last bid. I guess that makes your "uneducated guess" look rather silly!
With much more growth with new airplanes coming, plus new orders after emergence from bk, I'd expect that to go down substantially.
Why not send me your resume so I can help you get hired!;)

737


A question, how many guys were hired between that 98 hire and now? I bet a lot. Probably 15 years at best.
 
who cares, new hires will be fo's for life. Everybody that was supposed to retire ranaway, everybody thats left aint going nowhere. it doest matter if its a 767, 777, or a 787. no newhire will see it as capt. for 20-25 yrs.

Right now any new airplanes are growth airplanes. We just parked our 737-200s and 737-300s, and the MD88s are staying for awhile since the lease payments were reduced from $280,000 per month to $80,000. We are getting 14-17 757-200ERs starting in June (2 per month), plus 10 737-700s and 5 777s within the next 3 years. We also may be getting some 100 seaters. I would say there are some upgrades there.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
A question, how many guys were hired between that 98 hire and now? I bet a lot. Probably 15 years at best.


Probably 2000. But, some of those were furloughed and may have gone to SWA or JB and may not come back at all. If we get a 100 seater, it may be fairly junior because Captain pay on that plane is probably less than widebody FO pay at the 12 year level.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
98 hires were awarded captain positions on this last bid. I guess that makes your "uneducated guess" look rather silly!
With much more growth with new airplanes coming, plus new orders after emergence from bk, I'd expect that to go down substantially.
Why not send me your resume so I can help you get hired!;)

737


No thanks I have already have a job with a company that doesn't mismanage and then declare BK to rob employees and wipe out debt obligations. 98 hires awarded capt. positions wow, how about all the guys that left already, how many retirements do you guys have. I saw general said you guys are getting 100 seaters, US pays 95/hr max for a 100 seater what will you guys pay 96. I will stick with my 737.
 
No thanks I have already have a job with a company that doesn't mismanage and then declare BK to rob employees and wipe out debt obligations. 98 hires awarded capt. positions wow, how about all the guys that left already, how many retirements do you guys have. I saw general said you guys are getting 100 seaters, US pays 95/hr max for a 100 seater what will you guys pay 96. I will stick with my 737.

Awsome for you bravodude!
You make valid points. DL made terrible mistakes in the past but is looking pretty attractive moving forward! Most of the management team that robbed this compny is gone. Upgrades are becoming less than forever. Large retirements won't be happening for about another 10-12 years. We are still much better than other legacy carriers. A lot of continued growth in the future.
I don't know what the pay will be on the 100 seater. If you want to fly one, you can apply to DL online at airapps.com.
If we are still losing money after bk, then I guess you can be even happier!


737
 
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No thanks I have already have a job with a company that doesn't mismanage and then declare BK to rob employees and wipe out debt obligations. 98 hires awarded capt. positions wow, how about all the guys that left already, how many retirements do you guys have. I saw general said you guys are getting 100 seaters, US pays 95/hr max for a 100 seater what will you guys pay 96. I will stick with my 737.

I don't know if it will be the EMB 100 seater. Some rumors say Boeing really really wants us to get 737-600s, and the price could be right. We have an E190 rate, and we have a 737-700 rate (which would probably fit the 736 rate too). You stick with your 737, the rest of us will start with a 737 left seat and then go up from there. If it is the E-190, sobeit too. The chance to upgrade to larger equipment will still be there.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Any Delta guys who want to answer.

In addition to the large empending orders from Boeing in the form of 737-700's, 777's and 787's.

Why isn't DL ordering the 737-900ER? It has low seat permile cost, fuel efficient in comparison to other competing aircraft, and has nearly the range of a 757-200 even with winglets?

I'd think that it'd be a no brainer for Delta.
 
Any Delta guys who want to answer.

In addition to the large empending orders from Boeing in the form of 737-700's, 777's and 787's.

Why isn't DL ordering the 737-900ER? It has low seat permile cost, fuel efficient in comparison to other competing aircraft, and has nearly the range of a 757-200 even with winglets?

I'd think that it'd be a no brainer for Delta.

I don't think the -900 is going to be that interesting to DL. It seems to be a not so capable substitute for the 757 and DL has around 130 757s that still have a lot of useful life. The immediate need is in the small and large categories. A giant hole was created with the retirement of the classic 737s and the MD-11 retirements left us with a need for large international capable airframes.
 
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Any Delta guys who want to answer.

In addition to the large empending orders from Boeing in the form of 737-700's, 777's and 787's.

Why isn't DL ordering the 737-900ER? It has low seat permile cost, fuel efficient in comparison to other competing aircraft, and has nearly the range of a 757-200 even with winglets?

I'd think that it'd be a no brainer for Delta.

I have heard from someone high up that the 739 could be the eventual replacement for the 757. I am sure they would look at the ER version.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Awsome for you bravodude!
You make valid points. DL made terrible mistakes in the past but is looking pretty attractive moving forward! Most of the management team that robbed this compny is gone. Upgrades are becoming less than forever. Large retirements won't be happening for about another 10-12 years. We are still much better than other legacy carriers. A lot of continued growth in the future.
I don't know what the pay will be on the 100 seater. If you want to fly one, you can apply to DL online at airapps.com.
If we are still losing money after bk, then I guess you can be even happier!


737

First off I hope you know I have nothing bad to say about Delta the only problem I have ever had with them is 1. general works there and 2. when i used to work for a fractional i was a gold elite memeber and the service was horible it wasn't even worth it.
As for your statement about growth and other legacy airlines who are you comparing yourself too AA or US how about CO their upgrade is crazy about 2 years. All i said is alot of pilots have already left so the upgrade will be significant, verry significant.
 
I have heard from someone high up that the 739 could be the eventual replacement for the 757. I am sure they would look at the ER version.

Bye Bye--General Lee

737 systems operation was made archaic to meet the requirements of SWA. I personally hope that we can hold off on a 757 replacement until Boeing designs the follow-on to the 737. The capability of the 75 can not be replaced by any version of the 737.
 
737 systems operation was made archaic to meet the requirements of SWA. I personally hope that we can hold off on a 757 replacement until Boeing designs the follow-on to the 737. The capability of the 75 can not be replaced by any version of the 737.
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Amen to that. Boeing is said to be making two vfersions of the 797. One version will be a 737 type plane the other will be a long narrow body seating 200-250 and is aimed at the 757 replacement market.

Guess Boeing didn't want Embrarer or Bombardier to take over the 200 seat market. The 737-900ER is a good plane, hardly a replacement for the 757, but a good companion!

I like it and I think Delta should give it another serious look, as it has more range then their 738's!
 

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