Delta Hiring SWA pilots?

[Scoot 11]

This thread is exactly why this place has become a cesspool.
I really need to find a better way to waste my time!

 

[Freebrd]

This thread is exactly why this place has become a cesspool.
I really need to find a better way to waste my time!

Beer and porn would be my advice :beer:

 

[General Lee]

Beer and porn would be my advice :beer:

Shaun,

You wasted your time in Vietnam. Your app to Air Wisconsin is waiting.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

Shouldn't you be dispatching planes Jenny, or getting the supervisor his coffee? Don't forget, cream and 3 sugars, sugar!

 

[Tripower455]

Yes you can, it just has to be premium.

Which is exactly why I said you can't, as you're very unlikely to get it.

Exactly how a certain pilot here got over 300 TFP last year in one month.

Certainly not the norm. Nowhere near it. Folks making 300 tfp a month, (outside of $WApA work, of course), are busting their a$$es with zero QOL, unless they actually enjoy being on what amounts to reserve that they can refuse, almost every day.

But it isn't easy outside of the summer months.

While it's more likely, it isn't too easy in the summer months (June and July) either. I had the second week of July vacation this year, (which I didn't want, but that's another story), and ended up bidding on every scrap of POT (except AMs) during my week in an attempt to salvage something from my wasted vacation week, and nothing, not that I was really expecting it.

Forget about the rest of the year, unless you're "lucky" and something like the "MDW Meltdown" or the like happens to occur during your vacation week.

Maybe it's somewhat easier in a junior domicile like LAS or OAK or if you're willing to commute to those places to get it, but on vacation, you're the absolute last guy that's gonna get the trip. In MCO, forget it. I have gotten exactly ONE POT trip. Ever, and I am well under the 20% line, company wide.

 

[slaquer5]

This thread is exactly why this place has become a cesspool.
I really need to find a better way to waste my time!

Amen brother

 

[Phlintstone]

This thread is exactly why this place has become a cesspool.
I really need to find a better way to waste my time!

This place is better when I only see this for GL's syphilitic drivel:

"This message is hidden because General Lee is on your ignore list."

Phred

 

[RightBettor]

Beer and porn would be my advice :beer:

There's porn on the Internet? Wait, whaaaat?

 

[Tripower455]

This place is better when I only see this for GL's syphilitic drivel:

"This message is hidden because General Lee is on your ignore list."

Phred

Yup! He/She/It has the "honor" of being the only troll I've ever ignored on any forum. :beer:

 

[Freebrd]

And then there's whiners like HeavyLoad defending the troll Jenny. Go figure.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Yes, if your senior to me that would be an excellent idea. Because we all know that basing your decisions on what is happening right this second is the best way to go. Never mind the last 15 years of bad management or furloughs or across the board concessions. Lets just look at right now a company that has come out of bankruptcy shedding all its massive debt and not having to pay its creditors. Low oil prices, high baggage fees. Because this is how it will be forever and ever.:nuts:

One of the better posts ever.

 

[Max_Motoring]

Yes a class of 18 and only 8 showed up. Previous class had a guy leave the end of the third week for Delta but he lived on the east coast.

 

[bafanguy]

Yes a class of 18 and only 8 showed up.

It's a new world, I guess. Did that event cause a stir ? Anyone in management concerned about people no-showing ?

 

[Bake]

Hey guys and gals, I was not lobbing a bomb so much as I was venting about how atrocious the mood here is at SWA. I have had some serious issues with a chief pilot, training, SWAPA,and really SWA is just not that much fun anymore. Maybe the General is correct. Mix it up a bit and fly different aircraft, bigger or smaller, see different things, and just explore the aviation world for all it's worth.

Reality is I'm starting my 3rd year as a capt and RIGHT NOW no other job matches the income or the flexibility and that is just a fact. Hopefully, that will change and we will see some big contracts out of the other carriers. I'm supporting you guys. Thanks for the intelligent answers and the brainstorming of this thread. It wasn't for naught.

Bake

 

[tankerhead]

Very nice and humble post, Bake.

Others should emulate.

 

[ATRCAPT]

Well, for what it's worth...

Regarding the new-hire no-shows: I just came from the training center (PC yesterday) and was told the reason two classes only had 8 people was because they only wanted two classes of 8. There have been a small handful of folks leave for other airlines, but not the number some would have you believe.

Bake, I get your frustration with SWA right now, but please be careful about looking for greener pastures. Third year SWA capt. is a pretty f-ing good place to be! I'm right on the cusp of moving to left seat myself. I know the company has changed for the worse and SWAPA has proved worthless of late, but things can easily take a sh!t anywhere. I would hate to see you give up your left seat and get stuck as a FO somewhere else.

I've said it before, 2015 is going to be a very pivotal year here at SWA. Stay tuned...

 

[humveedriver]

Bake, working at a small airline will always be way more fun. SWA had a long and good run at being the "fun" airline, but it grew up. Here's an option that includes a left seat.

http://easternairlines.aero/career-opportunities.html

 

[General Lee]

Hey guys and gals, I was not lobbing a bomb so much as I was venting about how atrocious the mood here is at SWA. I have had some serious issues with a chief pilot, training, SWAPA,and really SWA is just not that much fun anymore. Maybe the General is correct. Mix it up a bit and fly different aircraft, bigger or smaller, see different things, and just explore the aviation world for all it's worth.

Reality is I'm starting my 3rd year as a capt and RIGHT NOW no other job matches the income or the flexibility and that is just a fact. Hopefully, that will change and we will see some big contracts out of the other carriers. I'm supporting you guys. Thanks for the intelligent answers and the brainstorming of this thread. It wasn't for naught.

Bake

Notice my initial response was not in jest. Obviously you are doing well monetarily right now, but maybe that isn't enough. If you do want to make a change, make sure you can afford it first, and then look at the 3 legacies. All 3 of them would hire you in a heartbeat. Getting on early would allow you to take advantage of fast upward movement, getting the QOL back sooner. It would take awhile to get the money back, but all 3 are getting more stable and have new contracts coming up, meaning better new hire pay. Huge classes means shorter times on reserve, and huge retirement numbers means more variety in long haul Widebody or domestic on various fleets.

It would be a big move, but it could be the right one for you. Good luck.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[HowardBorden]

No matter how disgruntled one becomes, it all boils down to how much greener could other pastures be?

To start over at Delta would be close to a $1 million hit in one decade. Just out of curiosity I crunched some numbers. A new hire at Delta starting in the smallest equipment and moving up to the next largest every 2 years, assuming a 6 year upgrade into the smallest equipment then moving up again every 2 years would bring in $1,053,000 in the first 10 years at minimum guarantee. The same 10 years as a Captain at SWA would net $2,021,760 in salary at minimum guarantee. Of course these Delta numbers are completely arbitrary, and could be way off base considering what equipment is flown for how long and when upgrade actually materializes, but I was just trying to shoot for a ballpark number for comparison.

Not to mention you'd be starting over at the bottom on reserve working holidays and weekends all over again instead of building on the current seniority already attained at the current airline. To each his own I guess, but it just seems as it would be so incredibly counter productive. How long would it take to break even monetarily is an impossible question to answer because of all the intangibles, but one would need to be extremely unhappy at the current gig in order to even consider the move. Every individuals has different needs and desires, so go figure.

 

[Bigoober]

Well, for what it's worth...

Regarding the new-hire no-shows: I just came from the training center (PC yesterday) and was told the reason two classes only had 8 people was because they only wanted two classes of 8. There have been a small handful of folks leave for other airlines, but not the number some would have you believe.

Bake, I get your frustration with SWA right now, but please be careful about looking for greener pastures. Third year SWA capt. is a pretty f-ing good place to be! I'm right on the cusp of moving to left seat myself. I know the company has changed for the worse and SWAPA has proved worthless of late, but things can easily take a sh!t anywhere. I would hate to see you give up your left seat and get stuck as a FO somewhere else.

I've said it before, 2015 is going to be a very pivotal year here at SWA. Stay tuned...

Probably need a few "new" aircraft for pivotal. More seats ain't gonna cut it.