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nwaf16dude
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Flight ops said we needed 300 guys, but that was before yesterday's aircraft order announcement. Flight ops claims yesterday's order is all growth aircraft. If that is the case, then we'll need another 600 at least for the new jets, and that estimate is without mandatory retirements factored in. I have often heard that once we start hiring, the hiring will continue indefinitely. I hope that is true.
I got an email from one of my dads old contacts who is a chief pilot at DAL about two weeks ago. He said:
1. Once hiring starts, it won't/can't stop
2. After 2016, there are discussions about how DAL will meet the pilot demand
3. They're talking to Pinnendvwhoever almost on a weekly basis watching their pilot needs. If they can't move CRJ's it becomes a real problem, and they're already in a serious manning/pilot crunch.
300 was a number the company knew they needed. Now it sounds like it's closer to 500'ish (550) for 2013 thru 2014. 300 was a safe bet to say and announce to get the ball rolling but that number is going to be higher.
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Not necessarily in one year, but I'm confident we will need more than the advertised 300 next year. First position awards on the new jets will happen about this time next year.
Theoretically they could get the A321's in place by the end of 2014, the A330's would take longer.
The limiting factor is actually the developmental seat program. Narrow bodies with basic seats and limited IFE (that's Inflight Entertainment) take about a year to deliver once the vendor is selected. Widebodies with full recline and more comprehensive entertainment systems can take as long as 18 months from vendor to delivery to the airline.
Been working in passenger seats while waiting for a return to flying the last several years and was shocked at how much work and time goes into getting the seats into the aircraft.
The limiting factor is actually the developmental seat program. Narrow bodies with basic seats and limited IFE (that's Inflight Entertainment) take about a year to deliver once the vendor is selected. Widebodies with full recline and more comprehensive entertainment systems can take as long as 18 months from vendor to delivery to the airline.
Been working in passenger seats while waiting for a return to flying the last several years and was shocked at how much work and time goes into getting the seats into the aircraft.
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Since deliveries of the A321 don't start until well into 2016, that sounds a little unlikely. Even the A330s don't start until 2015.
http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/p...returns-to-airbus-with-order-for-40-aircraft/
Pinnendvwhoever is imploding. The junior FO's stayed to get the company paid for ATP and now that they have it they are leaving for anything else they can find. Delta took a company with deep roots in the south and closed all the southern domiciles. Half the pilots - including senior CA's accustommed to living in domicile - are looking at a two leg commute to a northern domicile. The senior end of the CA list is seeing pilots leave for overseas jobs, office jobs, corporate jobs, anything they can find that gives them more than ten days a month at home.
JetBlue, United, USair and Spirit are pulling a steady and increasing number of junior CA's each month. If you poll the Endeavor pilots most of them want to interview with other carriers before they interview with DAL.
They are talking about retaining a significant number of 50 seat AC - which would indicate SkyWest won't play ball on a rate reset.
The Bridge Agereement requires DAL to include in each new hire class a fixed perentage of Pinnendvwhoever pilots. If DAL increases their hiring numbers it almost certianly means the end of Endeavor. But they can't shut down Endeavor until SkyWest agrees to a rate reset - at the end of 2015. That is the only reason RA has given for the purchase of Endeavor.
Something is going to break. Either DAL as to stick to their announced hiring plans or RA will have to admit the whole premise of Endeavor, and the money he spent on it, is a failure. Me thinks the DAL pilots better get acustomed to short staffing for a few years.
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I would think that by operating Endeavor at current rates delta will more than make up for the money it paid for the purchase of the airline.
Pinnacle was almost making a profit in bankruptcy and that was with almost all of the Colgan pilots sitting at home making base pay untrained on a CRJ, Sending 140 pre merger Mesaba CRJ 200 pilots through almost full training again for an aircraft they were already qualified to fly (why not wait and just do a two week course when the fences went down instead of the 90 day course?), and the high amount of money Pinnacle was paying out to law firms for the bankruptcy itself. Some had said that without paying the law firms, Pinnacle would have been making a profit-and that was before our huge cuts in pay and QOL. Figure it out, Delta was very slick in all of this-their 70 million they spent most likely has already been made back.
Pinnacle was almost making a profit in bankruptcy and that was with almost all of the Colgan pilots sitting at home making base pay untrained on a CRJ, Sending 140 pre merger Mesaba CRJ 200 pilots through almost full training again for an aircraft they were already qualified to fly (why not wait and just do a two week course when the fences went down instead of the 90 day course?), and the high amount of money Pinnacle was paying out to law firms for the bankruptcy itself. Some had said that without paying the law firms, Pinnacle would have been making a profit-and that was before our huge cuts in pay and QOL. Figure it out, Delta was very slick in all of this-their 70 million they spent most likely has already been made back.
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88 717s start deliveries this month.
100 737-900s start in the next couple months.
DC 9s almost all gone...5 left I heard?
Only fleet reductions announced are 10 757s going away by this time next year.
Without factoring in retirements, these growth planes will drive for more pilots. Small narrow body categories today are paying out huge overtime due to lack of crews.
Some ray of sunshine from another airline will be along to start a urinary Olympiad over whether or not we park more jets than what is announced, but overall, the tap just got turned on for hiring.....expect full flow hiring really soon. I'm done being pessimistic and I think we have turned a corner.
We were hiring 90 a month in 99 and 2000 I remember....so we can handle it....I think Sim time will be the limitation going forward.
100 737-900s start in the next couple months.
DC 9s almost all gone...5 left I heard?
Only fleet reductions announced are 10 757s going away by this time next year.
Without factoring in retirements, these growth planes will drive for more pilots. Small narrow body categories today are paying out huge overtime due to lack of crews.
Some ray of sunshine from another airline will be along to start a urinary Olympiad over whether or not we park more jets than what is announced, but overall, the tap just got turned on for hiring.....expect full flow hiring really soon. I'm done being pessimistic and I think we have turned a corner.
We were hiring 90 a month in 99 and 2000 I remember....so we can handle it....I think Sim time will be the limitation going forward.
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Usually describes the Delto Dorks to a tee.
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And on cue Canyon doesn't disappoint.
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Very true. Luckily I only have a fraction of that time in the EMB120.
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I hadn't heard that.
I Do know HR now picks the candidates who get an invite and that may have something to do with it.
I did hear you should emphasize community service on your app and in the interview. What that has to do with flying the jet, I don't know, but play by the rules they set and you may get the call. Good luck!!
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No. On second thought, hell no.
BILL LUMBERG
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Like he said above cooperate and graduate and remember its not just flight ops doing the hiring. HR folks like that community stuff and they get a say.
I actually have quite a bit of community service type stuff. Any suggestions on how to include this type of thing on airlineapps?
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no clue.....Not familiar with the format of that site. Not sure how resumes are collected or any of that. Sorry I'm not much help there.
I do know if you have a Delta Pilot recommend you using his/her delta.com email address, it gets weighed heavier with a higher point score for an invite.
Good Luck!
I do know if you have a Delta Pilot recommend you using his/her delta.com email address, it gets weighed heavier with a higher point score for an invite.
Good Luck!
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I thought you always say that you never left the regionals because the pay and the senior schedules were good enough to not have to leave. So you should have the energy with 19 off and the bank roll. Not FO's but you should. Right?
Times have changed, gentlemen. US Airways is big on service and now Delta is looking for it as well. Check out pilotcareerprep.com.
Even if you have one weekend a month, or a day here or there, FIND time to do some type of community service. It doesn't have to be much. Visit the elderly and your grandmother at the senior center. Your Father or Grandfather in the military at one time? Great, you can be in the Sons of the American Legion, which prioritizes service to the community and obviously the country. Meetings are once a month and aren't mandatory.
These things show you are more than a regular, and that you will more than likely go above and beyond for passengers, and you hold personal characteristics that psychologically speaking, lead to a better and more rounded person.
You don't have to agree with how things are being done, but your career may depend on adjusting to it.
But what if you hate old people, specifically between the age of 60 and 65?
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I laughed at this one.
On topic though, I have heard from several sources that community service is very important to the application sifters at the majors.
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