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TOOL CRIB

TOOL CRIB

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Looks like they're still Freedom ERJs though. Wonder where they're coming from? Hopefully taking them out of ATL or MCO. That's smart of Delta to shove Freedom in JFK since they don't get paid any extra while taxiing around for an hour there.


http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10552



Delta Brings More Jets to Upstate New York, Adds Flights at Binghamton

Sen. Charles Schumer commends Delta for plans to offer all-jet service between five upstate airports and JFK hub by Labor Day
NEW YORK, Feb. 6, 2007 – Residents of upstate New York soon will have increased choice and comfort in air travel as Delta Air Lines upgrades all its existing air service within the state of New York to jet aircraft and adds more flights for customers in Binghamton. By Labor Day, Delta will upgrade all remaining service operated with Dash-8 turboprop aircraft between its New York-JFK hub and Albany and Syracuse to quiet, comfortable and reliable 50-seat Bombardier regional jets. Also, effective May 7, Delta will add two new daily jet flights between Binghamton and JFK.


Upgraded jet service to Albany and Syracuse will be phased in throughout the spring and summer, with the first upgrade of two turboprop flights to jets occurring April 17 in Syracuse. Upgrade dates for the remaining two flights between JFK and Syracuse and Delta’s four round-trip flights between JFK and Albany will be announced later this spring.
 
TOOL CRIB said:
Looks like they're still Freedom ERJs though. Delta will upgrade all remaining service operated with Dash-8 turboprop aircraft between its New York-JFK hub and Albany and Syracuse to quiet, comfortable and reliable 50-seat Bombardier regional jets.
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Looks like its a 50 seat CRJ, not the ERJ.
 
TOOL CRIB said:
I missed that in the article. However in Travelnet it lists the flights as ERJ 145. So who knows. Hopefully Freedom gets the boot and Comair gets those routes (or anybody else!)
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Sorry to brust your bubble, but they are going to be Freedom ERJs and they are new airplanes to Delta as they are coming out of the United system. -Bean
 
That's smart of Delta to shove Freedom in JFK since they don't get paid any extra while taxiing around for an hour there.
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I know what you are trying to say, but keep in mind that Delta is provided with a sum/cost figure by Mesa (Freedom Airlines) which basicallys says, "Ok, if you want us to operate an ERJ145, it will cost this much per hour: $XXXX including aircraft, crew, maintenance, insurance, etc. When a RFP is put out, all regional airlines that participate in it, more or less, provide Delta with cost figures like the one mentioned above.

For Delta, I'm sure it's just a business decision.
 
a standing bid was put out today for an IAD ERJ base reduction as of right now there are 6 ERJ's in IAD operating for united. i have heard 3 of those will be going to JFK and the remaining 3 will go to ATL or MCO. 3 of the 5 Dash8's now operation will be pulled from service and held "in reserve" until a home can be found.
 
What's going to happen to all of the street captains they hired to fly those props out of JFK? Will they hold their seat (prop or RJ) or be shipped out to DEN as Dash FO's?
 
Perhaps there is a codeshare waiting for Mesa in Zaire or Congo. They haven't tried buisness with Europe yet so I am sure they will also get a codeshare in Latvia. In South America I am sure Suriname needs some feed too. Maybe Mesa can be the first airline to have a codeshare on every continent. They will retrofit some Dash 8s with waterskis so they can land on water and start Penguin airlines out in antartica.
 
Interesting... This dovetails nicely with a recently announced huge award of Dash CA/FOs into the Mesa DEN/PHX/GJT operation... Which also coincides with several Denver Dash Captains heading over to Lynx... Should be continued interesting times on the Dash!
 
Oh, & from the Mesa-air.com homepage, Mesa Pilot Recruitment is having an open house in Puerto Rico of all places... What's up with that?? Dashes to the Carrebean??
 
Didn't an airline down there just go tango uniform? JO will move in there to fill the void. At a loss.

This guy sounds crazier than I thought.
 
The Drizzle said:
Probably a case of a news reporter ot knowing the difference between a CRJ and ERJ.
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Not to offend your 'pilot self', let me humbly interject here: The public - that includes reporters - don't give a hoot about the difference between CRJ and ERJ.

Honestly, they don't even care if it's a prop or a jet. As long as they have lower prices, they would be happy. I have never even heard anyone paying more money to fly jet when they could fly the prop on the same route for less money.

My friend...yes an airline pilot would most likely be able to differentiate between different makes and models, but even most pilots don't care who flies what. If the upgrade is good and money is good...you'd be the last person trying to dictate your career move based on whether it's a CRJ or an ERJ.

Got it?

Now relax and enjoy flying and take comfort in the fact that you know lots of aviation terms that non-pilots don't know and perhaps among them, you might even come across as 'half-wit' for knowing the difference between the two different makes an models...but in reality....YES...IT DOES NOT MATTER!

Bunny
 
Oakum_Boy said:
Didn't an airline down there just go tango uniform? JO will move in there to fill the void. At a loss.

This guy sounds crazier than I thought.
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I doub it...if he EVER get his due, he will go down as one of the smartest CEOs of any US airline [in US history].

Nope, I don't work for him. Wouldn't mind working for him if I ever lose my present job though!
 
FlyBunny said:
I doub it...if he EVER get his due, he will go down as one of the smartest CEOs of any US airline [in US history].

Nope, I don't work for him. Wouldn't mind working for him if I ever lose my present job though!
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This just proves that ignorance is bliss, and stupidity can't be cured!

737
 
FlyBunny said:
Not to offend your 'pilot self', let me humbly interject here: The public - that includes reporters - don't give a hoot about the difference between CRJ and ERJ.

Honestly, they don't even care if it's a prop or a jet. As long as they have lower prices, they would be happy. I have never even heard anyone paying more money to fly jet when they could fly the prop on the same route for less money.

My friend...yes an airline pilot would most likely be able to differentiate between different makes and models, but even most pilots don't care who flies what. If the upgrade is good and money is good...you'd be the last person trying to dictate your career move based on whether it's a CRJ or an ERJ.

Got it?

Now relax and enjoy flying and take comfort in the fact that you know lots of aviation terms that non-pilots don't know and perhaps among them, you might even come across as 'half-wit' for knowing the difference between the two different makes an models...but in reality....YES...IT DOES NOT MATTER!

Bunny
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listen tootse, i was trying to put to rest everybody else. i could care less if the reporter knows the difference, same with the passengers. i just didn't want the Fi nerds to split hairs over nothing. you have a great habit of coming off like an idiot. see you next time.
 
FlyBunny said:
Not to offend your 'pilot self', let me humbly interject here: The public - that includes reporters - don't give a hoot about the difference between CRJ and ERJ.

Honestly, they don't even care if it's a prop or a jet. As long as they have lower prices, they would be happy. I have never even heard anyone paying more money to fly jet when they could fly the prop on the same route for less money.

My friend...yes an airline pilot would most likely be able to differentiate between different makes and models, but even most pilots don't care who flies what. If the upgrade is good and money is good...you'd be the last person trying to dictate your career move based on whether it's a CRJ or an ERJ.

Got it?

Now relax and enjoy flying and take comfort in the fact that you know lots of aviation terms that non-pilots don't know and perhaps among them, you might even come across as 'half-wit' for knowing the difference between the two different makes an models...but in reality....YES...IT DOES NOT MATTER!

Bunny
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Look, honey, didn't you learn last time you opened your mouth? Why do you even bother to post here... NOBODY takes anything you say seriously because you have NO credentials to back you up!

You know nothing about this industry aside from sitting in seat 44B occasionally. Keep your asinine opinions to yourself and leave the airline commentary to real airline pilots!

And it's Beech B-A-R-O-N.
 
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shamrock said:
You talking about Skippy's airline?
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Caribbean Sun didn't "go" TU, it was destroyed by Skip with the knowlwdge of whipsaw Delta and ASA taught him. C-Sun was phased out and replaced with C-Star, which had lower labor rates and looser work rules.
 
Operating out of JFK you would not believe all the customer's faces when they saw what they would be flying on to SYR, PVD, PWM, ALB, etc. Not saying that they were to thrilled when boarding the "tiny jet," but talk about some white faces.
 
SBD said:
Not saying that they were to thrilled when boarding the "tiny jet," but talk about some white faces.
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Yep, I always get a chuckle when I overhear those 'little plane' quips from pax, and mainline on the radio on ground freq. I just smile and hope they get their next 'Delta' experience on one of the Dashs or upcoming 1900s....wishing for that 'puny jet!'

I heard ol' Chucky Schumer D-NY got some quips in recently wanting 'Jet' service to various NY cities instead of noisy T-Props.

Let's see how long the Big Sky 1900s last in Boston ;)
 
FlyBunny said:
Not to offend your 'pilot self', let me humbly interject here: The public - that includes reporters - don't give a hoot about the difference between CRJ and ERJ.

Honestly, they don't even care if it's a prop or a jet. As long as they have lower prices, they would be happy. I have never even heard anyone paying more money to fly jet when they could fly the prop on the same route for less money.

My friend...yes an airline pilot would most likely be able to differentiate between different makes and models, but even most pilots don't care who flies what. If the upgrade is good and money is good...you'd be the last person trying to dictate your career move based on whether it's a CRJ or an ERJ.

Got it?

Now relax and enjoy flying and take comfort in the fact that you know lots of aviation terms that non-pilots don't know and perhaps among them, you might even come across as 'half-wit' for knowing the difference between the two different makes an models...but in reality....YES...IT DOES NOT MATTER!

Bunny
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WoW... lots of good info here... yeah. Bunny, you will fit in nicely here. Plz keep posting for our entertainment.
 

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