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[ERfly]

Republic will fly the 190's

OOO...OOO...OOO...My turn

Go to bed, junior!

 

[StarChecker]

The only reason there is SJS is because mainline pilots agreed on it by signing a contract, maybe if all you major airline pilots would have grown a pair this wouldn't be happeneing.

Well said. We don't want these airplanes.

 

[PCL_128]

when its their MEC that traded scope for widebody pay rates......

MEC's don't trade anything by themselves. MEC's just vote whether to send a contract to the pilot group for them to decide on. If you want to place blame, then blame the entire pilot groups, not just MEC's. Everyone has some blame to share on this monumental mess that was created 2 decades ago. ALPA national and the MEC's are not the sole problems. Everyone contributed that voted for looser scope.

 

[Major Metalhead]

One thing is for sure..

things are gonna change, and they are gonna change big time..the slate has been erased..

 

[General Lee]

Republic will fly the 190's

Riiiiight. That's funny, the AJC paper said yesterday that GE would help Delta finance new "larger" regional jets. Couldn't Chautaqua or Republic finance it on their own? They could, right? Looks like GE would finance them for us....Get it? Comair will likely get huge pay cuts along with us, and then get sold to Mesa. And, NW (a possible merger with us) stated in their opener that they would furlough a bunch of their pilots and allow THEM to fly new E190s at a different subsidiary. I tend to think you could be WRONG.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

So what do you think is going to happen to an erly out pilot that bolted on Aug. 1 or Sept. 1, hoping to get his lump sum before the BK took effect? It usually takes 60 days after your retirement date for the check to show up. Looks like there could be some real dissapointed pilots. Left early, and nothing to show for it, no lump sum, no job. Talk about getting screwed. On the other hand maybe they can sue to get back on the active list. Sorry just a little flame bait.

Good question. They could be hosed. I bet they are watching the mailman very closely, running to the mailbox each time they see him/her....(waiting for the lump sum check)

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[RCA]

Ive been reading this board for awhile and it seems as if the person writting responses for general lee has changed.

Comair will likely get HUGE pay cuts along with us, and then get SOLD TO MESA.
whats the deal

 

[DDpaysoff]

Comair will likely get huge pay cuts along with us, and then get sold to Mesa.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Dude, how much do you think we make? It is impossible to take huge cuts. We are already near industry average. There's not much to cut here, we work for Sh1t wages already. Why don't you worry about your own problems instead of how big of a paycut Comair is going to take.

You seriously need to relax a bit and take a break from your job and all the talk about it. It's not healthy.

 

[General Lee]

Dude, how much do you think we make? It is impossible to take huge cuts. We are already near industry average. There's not much to cut here, we work for Sh1t wages already. Why don't you worry about your own problems instead of how big of a paycut Comair is going to take.

You seriously need to relax a bit and take a break from your job and all the talk about it. It's not healthy.

I know it's not healthy. I have a headache the size of Georgia. I am not advocating large pay cuts, but I bet management is. Compared to other regionals (ie MESA), you are paid more. That will come down, just like our pay. We are currently paid more than United, which will change too. That is what happens when your company goes down the toilet. Everyone hurts. ASA was sold to SkyWest, and is not part of DL anymore. They are really lucky. Anyone associated with DL will get some large pay cuts, except the bankruptcy attornies.

Bye Bye--Geneal Lee

 

[Stifler's Mom]

wonder how many sjs sufferers have a gleam in their eye with the words, replacing routes with smaller jets.....

Probably far too many short sighted SOB's. Anything larger than 70-seats needs to be at mainline.

 

[climbhappy]

Can the Delta senior Captains, who retired only to fly again under a contract, void the contract or simply refuse to fly for any less pay out of the BK?

 

[General Lee]

Can the Delta senior Captains, who retired only to fly again under a contract, void the contract or simply refuse to fly for any less pay out of the BK?

No, I doubt it. With the parking of certain airplanes by the end of next year, most of them will be leaving as those other captains retrain onto larger aircraft. Also, the contract pilots (the PRPs) have lower seniority numbers than the current furloughed pilots. The judge may allow them to stay a little longer, but they will all eventually go. There are about 300 PRPs flying the larger aircraft.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Hovernut]

YOU-WILL-BE-EX-TERMI-NA-TED! *Kerpow!*

Said, of course, in your best imitation of Dr. Who's nemesis Dalek tone!

 

[Bluto]

ASA was sold to SkyWest, and is not part of DL anymore. They are really lucky. Bye Bye--Geneal Lee

Why's that? I thought you said Delta was going to dump SkyWest and Mesa would take over SLC? Did you change your mind?

 

[~~~^~~~]

MEC's don't trade anything by themselves. MEC's just vote whether to send a contract to the pilot group for them to decide on. If you want to place blame, then blame the entire pilot groups, not just MEC's. Everyone has some blame to share on this monumental mess that was created 2 decades ago. ALPA national and the MEC's are not the sole problems. Everyone contributed that voted for looser scope.

Watch out, you are getting close to agreement with the RJDC.

 

[garf12]

Whats to say that they will come out of this? I really have no idea I am not saying they aren't I am just wondering. Whats different about them versus Braniff and Pan Am?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Riiiiight. That's funny, the AJC paper said yesterday that GE would help Delta finance new "larger" regional jets. Couldn't Chautaqua or Republic finance it on their own? They could, right?

Bye Bye--General Lee

General:

If you look at the fine print, Bombardier is in on the deal. That suggests the C series jets to me. Bombardier needs 50 sales of the new aircraft fast, or else the Canadian government is going to pull the plug. It is a 110 to 130 seat airframe, which sounds like mainline to me, but then again, your MEC is involved and they tend to sell stuff down the river pretty fast to protect your bro's on the 767.

 

[DDpaysoff]

I know it's not healthy. I have a headache the size of Georgia. I am not advocating large pay cuts, but I bet management is. Compared to other regionals (ie MESA), you are paid more. That will come down, just like our pay. We are currently paid more than United, which will change too. That is what happens when your company goes down the toilet. Everyone hurts. ASA was sold to SkyWest, and is not part of DL anymore. They are really lucky. Anyone associated with DL will get some large pay cuts, except the bankruptcy attornies.

Bye Bye--Geneal Lee

Insert Delta managment rant here! I need to take a break myself. I wonder what kind of fare sale will be announced tomorrow.

 

[Hovernut]

General:

If you look at the fine print, Bombardier is in on the deal. That suggests the C series jets to me. Bombardier needs 50 sales of the new aircraft fast, or else the Canadian government is going to pull the plug. It is a 110 to 130 seat airframe, which sounds like mainline to me, but then again, your MEC is involved and they tend to sell stuff down the river pretty fast to protect your bro's on the 767.

Plus, the LOA scope and block hour restrictions just went out the window with BK.

As to the snide SJS comment from a previous poster...get a life you moron! Only a fool would look at this and smile. Yes, there may be a couple of them, but we're all in this together and we need to do whatever it takes to return to profitibility. When we're flying full 50 or 70 seaters and turning away pax, then mainline should be putting on their equipment.