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Delta Is Far From Ready

By David Lee Smith
December 26, 2006
You've gotta love it. Just as the world of financial news was slowing last week, a spate of added intrigue surrounding the hostile effort by US Airways (NYSE: LCC) to acquire bankrupt Delta (OTC BB: DALRQ.PK) arrived to supplement the otherwise waning pre-Christmas entertainment. But when all was said and done, it became even clearer that US Airways' effort to acquire its Atlanta-based rival wouldn't be concluded quickly or easily.
Delta's management obviously plans to fight US Airways -- which has submitted an $8.3 billion offer for Delta -- every step of the way. Indeed, Delta's management team, its pilots, and various other groups would like to continue to pursue a restructuring under bankruptcy protection and to morph their airline into what they maintain will become an impressively profitable entity in the coming years. They also believe that Delta is worth far more than what US Airways has offered.
In rejecting the offer, which was tendered last month, Delta submitted its own long-awaited plan to emerge from bankruptcy. According to the plan, Delta is worth between $9.4 billion and $12.2 billion. It also projects profitability for the No. 3 carrier as early as 2007, when it expects net earnings to be about $500 million, before they reach $1.2 billion in 2010. Those figures compare with a $2.2 billion loss last year. The plan also specifies that Delta will cut its debt in half and predicts that the airline's holders of unsecured debt will receive between 63% and 80% of their allowed claims.
After Delta filed the plan, US Airways Chairman and CEO W. Douglas Parker assailed it. "Something here looks a little out of whack," he said of Delta's self-evaluation. Parker pointed out that at its higher ranges, Delta's self-ascribed valuation indicates a worth for the airline that comes close to the value of Southwest (NYSE: LUV), or about as much as United (Nasdaq: UAUA) and AMR's (NYSE: AMR) American combined.
Delta CEO Gerald Grinstein also took the company's argument to the Georgia statehouse, where he argued to state lawmakers that a takeover by US Airways could cause the loss of 10,000 jobs and might result in a company with as much as $23 billion in debt. Grinstein noted that there never has been a hostile takeover of an airline in the U.S. and declared that "it's not about to start here."
In the final analysis, Delta's creditors will be key to the success -- or lack thereof -- of the carrier's efforts to stave off US Airways' overtures and to go it alone. US Airways has offered to pay the unsecured creditors $4 billion in cash and 78.5 million shares of US Airways stock. Last week, a group of 17 creditors who hold $2.25 billion in unsecured claims against Delta urged the company to weigh all of its options and to consider alternatives to its own reorganization plan.
The Delta drama likely will play out over many months. Fools should realize that while the company's share price is up fourfold from its 52-week low, in a bankruptcy restructuring, shareholders of the common stock generally are left out shivering in the cold. I'd therefore urge Fools with an interest in participating in Delta's $1.32 share price to simply recognize the distinct difference between investing and gambling for fun.
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...I still say...NO MERGER. they haven't even ironed out America West/US Air merging...ie seniority, pay, integration, other union stuff...all which will cost lost of $$.

It won't be good for anyone
 
Seems like a great time for the Pilots at USAir/AWA to push for better wages/rules - after all, they could scuttle this one if they start acting up! I don't think anyone would allow an airline full of militant pilots to takeover Delta.
 
Seems like a great time for the Pilots at USAir/AWA to push for better wages/rules - after all, they could scuttle this one if they start acting up! I don't think anyone would allow an airline full of militant pilots to takeover Delta.

Or just hope the merger takes place and enjoy the resulting pay raise and improved work rules. Parker stated that the Delta pilots contract, pay, work rules etc. would be the one that survives. Of course, his lips were moving! Lets hope the merger fails.
 
You're right, regardless of how we personally feel about this merger, it is a golden opportunity for our combined union leadership to let everyone know about the company's lack of effort to date to get serious at the negotiating table. If we can't get our collective crap together and take advantage of this, we truly deserve what we get. I personally hope this merger doesn't take place. I would rather grow the airline the right way, providing upgrade opportunities etc for everyone rather than dragging another unwilling empoyee group kicking and screaming.
 
[quote Seems like a great time for the Pilots at USAir/AWA to push for better wages/rules - after all, they could scuttle this one if they start acting up!

With what? An MEC that is now back again in office? The same MEC that gave us (AWA) POS contract 200x? The same guys that build their lines to 99 hours then take it off for Union Business? How about the "pitts" of a Check Airman requiring signed proxies prior to a checkride that keeps him in office? Or recall notices required by the DEC 25th, however, the office was closed on the 21st for holidays (and an MEC still collecting UB money) that prevents the recall notices to go to the MEC for a vote until FEB.

No sorry, the West side here is too screwed up to do that.
 
I think the article doesn't say much, other than Delta is FAR FROM READY to merge. There really is no substance here, including Parkers wanting to merge with a carrier that has severe overlap, no common fleets, and a huge integration problem he hasn't solved yet at his own airline. The stock pirce at $1.32 will go to zero before we come out of BK, so anyone playing the stock game should probably know that.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Buying DAL Stock???

Okay guys I'll be the first to admit that I know absolutely NOTHING about buying stock at this point but when I saw a while back that DAL stock had dropped so low I really thought about buying a few shares.

However, it does seem that it's entirely possible, from what little bit of research I've been able to do, that common stock could be completely done away with just as easily as it could rebound and make a novice investor like myself a little bit of money.

So having said all this, anyone here know anything about this process of BK enough to speak to this subject? Sure would be nice to buy some stock that has the potential to grow exponentially but it does sound like it might be just as wise of an invest to go buy a lottery ticket!?!?

Thanks!
 
Common stock WILL be wiped out. New classes of shares will be issued to the various classes of creditors and will go public with the new shares after exiting.

Current stock will be worthless. TC
 
[quote Seems like a great time for the Pilots at USAir/AWA to push for better wages/rules - after all, they could scuttle this one if they start acting up!

With what? An MEC that is now back again in office? The same MEC that gave us (AWA) POS contract 200x? The same guys that build their lines to 99 hours then take it off for Union Business? How about the "pitts" of a Check Airman requiring signed proxies prior to a checkride that keeps him in office? Or recall notices required by the DEC 25th, however, the office was closed on the 21st for holidays (and an MEC still collecting UB money) that prevents the recall notices to go to the MEC for a vote until FEB.

No sorry, the West side here is too screwed up to do that.

I am in that MEC and I was not part of the as you say POS contract 2000 but I do know it's far better than contract 95!!!

I dare you to find a single month where I built 99 hrs or even 90 hrs for that matter and then went on UB!!!

The checkairman thing well YOU MAY HAVE me on that one as I still don't know the truth.

I would argue the matter of the recall issue if I were you. I am not a big fan of recalls but it is however your right and if the deadline was met then fight for what you want.

Don't go around passing blanket blame as some of us are really trying to make a difference only to be met with continued hostility.

WD.
 
Common stock WILL be wiped out. New classes of shares will be issued to the various classes of creditors and will go public with the new shares after exiting.

Current stock will be worthless. TC


That's the very reason I sold my 401k shares of Delta, cause they will be worthless otherwise. Once the shares are reissued, it's looks like great buy. Look at Continental and American over the past year..
 
It wouldn't be a merger but rather a garage sale for Parker. Get Delta's international routes, sell off Comair, take a good portion (60-70%) of the domestic routes gates and then sell of the remaining to Critter, SWA, or even UAL or AMR. It is a good deal for the industry overall.
 
It wouldn't be a merger but rather a garage sale for Parker. Get Delta's international routes, sell off Comair, take a good portion (60-70%) of the domestic routes gates and then sell of the remaining to Critter, SWA, or even UAL or AMR. It is a good deal for the industry overall.


It won't happen. Nobody wants it except Parker. The DOJ would shoot it down, Oberstar says he knows nobody in Congress who wants this deal, and both employee groups have expressed displeasure. 11 State attorney generals are looking into it for ani-competitive issues. And, to top it off, the unsecured creditor committee has plenty of DL friends on it. Very unlikely.

Sorry 400Adude. Here's some light reading for you.


1. Oberstar (chairman of the transportations sub committee) said that by publicly exposing the potential dangers of airline consolidation, his committee may be able to "throw cold water" on merger mania. "We can nudge the Justice Department to take the action they must" to prevent a loss in competition, he said.
Oberstar also said opposition to consolidation is bipartisan. "I’ve heard from members on both sides of the aisle" as worries have grown about the impact on jobs and service, he said. "I haven’t heard anyone come forward and say this is a really good deal."


2. Standard & Poor's credit analyst Philip Baggaley says that Delta's proposed reorganization plan involves less risk than US Airways' merger proposal. "[The plan] would not face antitrust review by the Department of Justice, would not involve potentially difficult labor integration, and would not require the issuance of $4 billion in acquisition debt," said Baggaley in a Dec. 19 note. (S&P, like BusinessWeek.com, is owned by The McGraw-Hill Companies.)



3. JoAnn Carrin, a spokeswoman for the Florida attorney general's office, said her office is working with other states on such a review, which she described as routine. She did not name the other states or say how many there were.
It's unclear what authority the states would have since airline mergers are generally reviewed by federal regulators. Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff, whose state is also reviewing the merger proposal, said the states can't block the merger, but could file suit if it's determined the merger would harm competition. "It smells of a redundant merger that could be anticompetitive, but we won't know until we finish the investigation," Shurtleff said.

US Airways spokesman Phil Gee said Wednesday he was told there could be as many as 11 states that have discussed the issue.


4.. The reasons Delta is saying no. Parker tries to refute them, but doesn't seem to understand the actual overlap and how the USAir/UAL deal was shot down over one area with overlap (IAD/DCA), versus the current huge overlap proposed in the USAir/DL takeover (LAS/PHX/SLC, CVG/PIT/JFK/PHL/Shuttles, and the really huge CLT/ATL overlap):

Company said that the U.S. Airways proposal was structurally flawed and could not be executed as claimed by U.S. Airways because of erroneous economic assumptions, higher debt-loads (needed to fund the merger), and, labor and antitrust issues. Insurmountable hurdles to the U.S. Airways deal include, but are not limited to the following:

1. The flawed economic assumptions underpinning the “synergies” in the US Airways proposal would result in vastly lower value than claimed by US Airways.
2. The combined company would have the highest total debt load in the airline industry -approximately $23 billion - seriously limiting its financial flexibility and ability to withstand the volatility of the airline industry (and would force the new entity to cut some 10,000 jobs).\
3. There are overwhelming labor issues that would preclude the combination from attaining the claimed synergies. The Delta unit of the Air Line Pilots Association, the union representing Delta’s more than 6,000 pilots, has said - and Delta agrees - that Delta’s pilot contract (which runs from June 1,2006 – December 31, 2009) would prohibit the combined company from implementing capacity reductions that US Airways asserts are the economic foundation of the proposed transaction. 4. The transaction is not likely to receive antitrust clearance from regulators because it would result in loss of competition, thereby, negatively impacting consumers and their communities: (i) The proposed merger would eliminate or reduce competition on thousands of domestic city pairs (origin and destination cities/airports), impacting millions of passengers per year; (ii) the combined entity would operate 52% of slots and 40% of gates at major East Coast airports; (iii) there would be no competitive low cost carrier presence (> 5% passenger share) at any of the 71 U.S. cities dominated by the merger; (iv) and, the deal would substantially reduce competition at Boston-Logan, New York-LaGuardia, and Washington-Reagan National airports (share position analysis based on passenger traffic); Ergo, city pair concentration and route dominance would lead to reduced competition, fewer discounted seats, and higher passenger fare levels—subjecting the US Airways proposal to a lengthy Department of Justice review process, during which Delta would be forced to remain in bankruptcy.




Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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I am in that MEC and I was not part of the as you say POS contract 2000 but I do know it's far better than contract 95!!!

I dare you to find a single month where I built 99 hrs or even 90 hrs for that matter and then went on UB!!!

The checkairman thing well YOU MAY HAVE me on that one as I still don't know the truth.

I would argue the matter of the recall issue if I were you. I am not a big fan of recalls but it is however your right and if the deadline was met then fight for what you want.

Don't go around passing blanket blame as some of us are really trying to make a difference only to be met with continued hostility.

WD.

Thank you for your dedication and hard work. In my opinion there is way too much mud-slinging going on at AWA. Time to get unified and fight for a decent contract.
 
It wouldn't be a merger but rather a garage sale for Parker. Get Delta's international routes, sell off Comair, take a good portion (60-70%) of the domestic routes gates and then sell of the remaining to Critter, SWA, or even UAL or AMR. It is a good deal for the industry overall.


LMAO!!
Chuck, don't you ever get tired of spewing the same old drivel! Sorry you didn't get hired, but we're now accepting apps!
Funny thing is, you should be more worried about what Air Tran is going to do to your beloved midwest, as you get to go to the bottom of their seniority list and swing gear for ty webb!
Ain't revenge sweet!
Keep your potty mouth clean also chuckie, you might find yourself in banland again!

737
 
LMAO!!
Chuck, don't you ever get tired of spewing the same old drivel! Sorry you didn't get hired, but we're now accepting apps!
Funny thing is, you should be more worried about what Air Tran is going to do to your beloved midwest, as you get to go to the bottom of their seniority list and swing gear for ty webb!
Ain't revenge sweet!
Keep your potty mouth clean also chuckie, you might find yourself in banland again!

737

You surely miss him don't you.
 
Thank you for your dedication and hard work. In my opinion there is way too much mud-slinging going on at AWA. Time to get unified and fight for a decent contract.

Thank you Green...

WD
 

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