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Delta Exiting Bankruptcy, Faces Changes
Sunday April 29, 2:03 pm ET
By Harry R. Weber, AP Business Writer
After Major Facelift, Day for Delta to Exit Bankruptcy Arrives


ATLANTA (AP) -- Delta Air Lines Inc. has undergone a major facelift during more than a year and a half in bankruptcy, but other changes are on the way as the nation's No. 3 carrier exits Chapter 11 on Monday.

Among other things, it has set aside $10 million for a rebranding effort, the company's chief bankruptcy lawyer, Marshall Huebner, said in court recently. Executives at Delta also have said that after the company exits bankruptcy, it will consider shedding Comair, a Delta subsidiary that provides regional service for the airline.

Delta's outgoing chief executive, Gerald Grinstein, said last week he did not expect any "immediate action" on Erlanger, Ky.-based Comair since Delta has a new board of directors.

Doug Abbey, a partner in the aviation consulting firm The Velocity Group, said he expects Delta to make a decision on Comair fairly quickly.

"I suspect that's one of the first orders of business coming out of bankruptcy," Abbey said. "I can't even predict how that's going to go."

Delta's board also will be looking for a new CEO to replace Grinstein, 74, who has said he plans to step down once his successor is appointed.

Meanwhile, a Delta spokeswoman, Betsy Talton, said "additional investments in Delta's image will be unveiled" at a news conference at the company's Atlanta headquarters a few hours after the airline exits bankruptcy protection. Talton declined to give details ahead of the announcement.

Repainting its planes is something that could help Delta with its brand image, but would take time to complete for a fleet consisting of several hundred aircraft, Abbey said.

"I think it's appropriate because this is clearly a new Delta, but in and of themselves, these things tend to be a very long-term project," Abbey said.

A new advertising campaign also could be in Delta's future, Abbey said.

The initiatives would be on top of major changes that Delta put in place while in bankruptcy, including restructuring its fleet, expanding international service, improving aircraft cabins, cutting costs and eliminating more jobs.

On the financial side, existing shares of Delta's stock will be canceled at the time the airline exits bankruptcy. Shares of new stock will be issued to creditors and begin trading publicly on the New York Stock Exchange on Thursday. That day, Delta executives will ring the closing bell from the floor of the NYSE.

The company says 400 million shares will be issued, putting the target initial public offering at $23.50 a share to $30 a share based on Delta's projected valuation of $9.4 billion to $12 billion.

Delta's reorganization plan will give unsecured creditors between 62 percent and 78 percent of the value of their allowed claims as shares of new Delta stock. Delta employees also will get a lump-sum cash payment from the airline based on a percentage of their salary and will receive an equity stake in the reorganized company. Checks to employees are to be issued Tuesday.

More than 95 percent of creditors voted to endorse the plan for Delta to leave bankruptcy, and a federal bankruptcy judge in New York on April 25 gave the airline the green light to exit Chapter 11 on Monday. Conditions included closing on a $2.5 billion loan that will be used to repay another loan that helped fund the airline's operations while in bankruptcy.

The company is hosting a series of celebratory events starting Monday. Top executives will address employees and brief reporters. They also will spend 10 days visiting select cities, including Salt Lake City, Boston and Washington, to attend employee receptions.

Delta entered Chapter 11 on Sept. 14, 2005, amid high fuel prices and the burdens of high labor and pension expenses. Delta significantly reduced its labor and pension costs while under court protection. As of March 31, the company had 52,260 full-time employees, according to a regulatory filing Friday. The figure includes subsidiary Comair.

The bankruptcy process has been expensive for Delta, which has run up more than $127.9 million in bills for fees and expenses for its lawyers, consultants and advisers through the end of January. It could spend tens of millions more once the final fee and expense requests are dealt with.

As Delta looks to its future outside of bankruptcy and it seeks to return to profitability after billions in losses the last six years, competition will continue to be an issue it will have to deal with.

Abbey said that means there won't been any room for failure on Delta's business plan.

"It's important that operationally speaking, there aren't any disasters," he said.
 
Brilliant! Exit BK and spend a fortune re-branding yourself. It escapes me why this waste is allowed. The employees are the largest stakeholder in the company's emergence from near liquidity and management spends what the employees have given (painfully) to dress fat-chicks up in newer clothes and paint the a/c and redo interiors or whatever else to waste the employees' money. Buffoons. Here's a news flash..........pax do not care what color the aircraft is or what the interior looks like or how the crews are dressed. They want service and bang for their buck. Paint the #$*&er pink and they'll fly it if the fares are right.

I wish ya'll the best in this new era of Delta. Hopefully it will come close to returning to what it used to be. But with these sort of announcements your new management might put you right back in BK court in a few years.

Good luck in regaining your pay and benefits while reinventing yourself.
 
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"The company says 400 million shares will be issued, putting the target initial public offering at $23.50 a share to $30 a share based on Delta's projected valuation of $9.4 billion to $12 billion."

AMR is worth 6.5B, UAUA 3.9 and LUV is at 11B. The proposed valuation of DAL strikes me as rather high! Am I missing something?
 
Using 9.5B, the low end, makes sense to me. The investment public will probably buy off on it. AMR is swimming in debt and it greatly devalues their earning potential over the next 10 years. But it is all a matter of opinion. I personally believe the "value" of Delta will actually decline the next couple of years below what the market values Delta at exit. I believe the value of USAir will rise. Not sure about UAL. UAL could be playing funny accounting games or legitimately still be in recovery mode with no fortress hub.

NWA should rise in value. NWA always seems to be undervalued so I may be way off base.

CAL has a little too much debt, but I think they will rise or stay steady. CAL looks to be growing smartly and taking care of slightly high debt.

I don't consider 9.5B for Delta a suitable investment price at all. But I don't think they will fail, just get valued a little lower over time. I also think SWA is overvalued at 11B.
 
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Using 9.5B, the low end, makes sense to me. The investment public will probably buy off on it. AMR is swimming in debt and it greatly devalues their earning potential over the next 10 years. But it is all a matter of opinion. I personally believe the "value" of Delta will actually decline the next couple of years below what the market values Delta at exit. I believe the value of USAir will rise. Not sure about UAL. UAL could be playing funny accounting games or legitimately still be in recovery mode with no fortress hub.

NWA should rise in value. NWA always seems to be undervalued so I may be way off base.

CAL has a little too much debt, but I think they will rise or stay steady. CAL looks to be growing smartly and taking care of slightly high debt.

I don't consider 9.5B for Delta a suitable investment price at all. But I don't think they will fail, just get valued a little lower over time. I also think SWA is overvalued at 11B.

Which legacy, in your opinion, has the greatest amount of real debt ("real" as in long-term debt compared to the overall size of the company?) I'm not sure what metric MBA's use to measure long-term debt. Bigger debt might be okay for an airline the size of CAL vs an airline the size of Midwest.
 
I wish they'd do an "impromptu conga line" like at the party when they unveiled Song.....
 
Which legacy, in your opinion, has the greatest amount of real debt ("real" as in long-term debt compared to the overall size of the company?) I'm not sure what metric MBA's use to measure long-term debt. Bigger debt might be okay for an airline the size of CAL vs an airline the size of Midwest.

I sucked at fin accounting, but the primary differentiator between long term and short term debt is simply if the debt is expected to be carried for greater then 12 months. I think it depends a great deal on the company, the country (because of that country's accounting laws) and the type of accounting methodologies used (types of depreciation, etc).

You are spot on about the 'bigger debt' part....debt or leverage is typically assumed to be on a basis of debt/equity ratio. A percentage.

So let us say that the perfect D/E ratio for an airline is 50% (I have no idea what it is and it too is a variable number depending on what capital market rates look like and the debtor's credit rating and so on...).

DAL could be holding equity of lets say 15Bn and carry debt of 7.5Bn. (equity is not enterprise value of the company btw).

Whereas Midwest has equity of probably 2Bn (just a guess), they would ideally be leveraged at 1Bn.

Its fairly intuitive, just not intuitive that a company can be worth MORE if they are actually carrying debt. Its crazy, but its just a law of finance....just not necessarily personal finance.
 
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...it said that all existing shares of Delta stock will be canceled. Does that include anything in a 401K?
 
...it said that all existing shares of Delta stock will be canceled. Does that include anything in a 401K?

Any shares of the old Delta stock will be worthless once Delta exits BK.
 
"The company says 400 million shares will be issued, putting the target initial public offering at $23.50 a share to $30 a share based on Delta's projected valuation of $9.4 billion to $12 billion."

AMR is worth 6.5B, UAUA 3.9 and LUV is at 11B. The proposed valuation of DAL strikes me as rather high! Am I missing something?

Thank gawd you are not an analyst.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Using 9.5B, the low end, makes sense to me. The investment public will probably buy off on it. AMR is swimming in debt and it greatly devalues their earning potential over the next 10 years. But it is all a matter of opinion. I personally believe the "value" of Delta will actually decline the next couple of years below what the market values Delta at exit. I believe the value of USAir will rise. Not sure about UAL. UAL could be playing funny accounting games or legitimately still be in recovery mode with no fortress hub.

NWA should rise in value. NWA always seems to be undervalued so I may be way off base.

CAL has a little too much debt, but I think they will rise or stay steady. CAL looks to be growing smartly and taking care of slightly high debt.

I don't consider 9.5B for Delta a suitable investment price at all. But I don't think they will fail, just get valued a little lower over time. I also think SWA is overvalued at 11B.

Wow, another anal-cyst. It's great you can back up your opinions with "I may be way off base." The debate is good though. NWA and DL will merge in a year, and we will both rise under the Delta name. I, too, may be way off base, but I think we are worth $38 billion, and will take over the world....


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
That is general lee's number "01"

Funny! Let's all hope that mergers stay away! Unless it is CAL and DAL of course...
 
I can't wait to see the "new" Delta marketing... Maybe they'll bring back their stewardess slogan..."A working girl Working".

Good luck fellas.
 
Wow, another anal-cyst. It's great you can back up your opinions with "I may be way off base." The debate is good though. NWA and DL will merge in a year, and we will both rise under the Delta name. I, too, may be way off base, but I think we are worth $38 billion, and will take over the world....


Bye Bye--General Lee


Just intellectual honesty General. BTW, I always back up my predictions with "I may be way off base and/or off my rocker"

All the folks looking to interview or accept job offers are amateur analysts.

They are trying to figure out if growth projections will pan out, if profits will rise and if company success will allow ALPA to negotiate higher pilot pay.

Sometimes they are just trying to figure out if the company in question is likely to survive the next 20 years.
 
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Just intellectual honesty General. BTW, I always back up my predictions with "I may be way off base and/or off my rocker"

All the folks looking to interview or accept job offers are amateur analysts.

They are trying to figure out if growth projections will pan out, if profits will rise and if company success will allow ALPA to negotiate higher pilot pay.

Sometimes they are just trying to figure out if the company in question is likely to survive the next 20 years.

I guess that is true, and at least you do end your predictions with "I could be way off base." It is tough for you and I to state "it will do very well and should be a strong airline" when we don't have the stats in front of us. But, when other actual analysts are saying it and puting it in writing, then that could mean something. But, as I said before, this is a rumor/opinion board, and all opinions are welcome.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 

There is a finite amount of 76 seaters allowed per year, and per aircraft we at mainline fly. Their intention is to park more 50 seaters and add 76 seaters with first class in their place. This will place more pressure on the other DCI carriers as well, giving them less of a hold on our total feed.


Here is something from the latest conference call:


In yesterday's conference call with the finance houses, management pointed out that the RJ fleet will have zero hull growth through 2010, just exchanges from 40/50 seat to 70/76 seat. Mainline is currently scheduled to receive 15 737-700, 2 737-800, 13 757-200, and 5 777 over the next 3 years with no fleet attrition planned.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
RAH will be parking their 135s next year, but XJT will be flying 10 145s out of LAX and Mesa is adding 145s short term.

Looks like Comair and ASA are gonna get hosed pretty badly...
 
RAH will be parking their 135s next year, but XJT will be flying 10 145s out of LAX and Mesa is adding 145s short term.

Looks like Comair and ASA are gonna get hosed pretty badly...


Yeah, the two that carried Delta through the tough times are getting screwed! That SUCKS!
 
I forgot, what is the status of DAL pilot's pension. Was it completely scrapped? What is the pension now, is it a glorified 401K?
 
I forgot, what is the status of DAL pilot's pension. Was it completely scrapped? What is the pension now, is it a glorified 401K?

We are getting equity in the company later this week in the form of a check (most Captains will get a check for $120,000 plus two years (06 and 07) of their 401K filled to the max ($44,000 each year), and FOs will get around $80,000 in cash plus those two years of 401K fill ups ($88,000 total)), then we also get to carve up a $650 million note for the actual pension drop, which may fill up our 2008 401K requirement---which would be good so we could hide some money from the tax man, and the rest in cash again). Other than that, we have a 9% DC fund (9% of our monthly gross is matched by the company each month and put into this plan in our names) plus an additional 2% match on the 401K. United has a 16% contribution on their DC plan, so that is what we will be asking for next. That is all in our own names too.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
But, when other actual analysts are saying it and puting it in writing, then that could mean something.

Bye Bye--General Lee

And USAir was 2 weeks from liquidation, Delta a few months, etc, etc....

All the analysts know as much as anyone else which is very little. If one decides to lower a rating the others follow suit most likely becuase it is a safe bet. Other than that these "analysts" just guess.
 
A captain from Delta (who was spoken to today in MCO) is spreading the rumor that they (Delta) is interested in putting in an offer for Jetblue. Stating that is cheaper to buy them for the gates at JFK and move the 320 in place of the MD-8 series and can all the people. I am not sure if this idea has been said here before but this guy sounded like he actually believed it. Any thoughts?
 
Hi!

There is a thread on the DAL-JetBlue buyout here on flightinfo.com

cliff
YIP
 
Which legacy, in your opinion, has the greatest amount of real debt ("real" as in long-term debt compared to the overall size of the company?) I'm not sure what metric MBA's use to measure long-term debt. Bigger debt might be okay for an airline the size of CAL vs an airline the size of Midwest.

I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I do have an MBA, so I'll throw in my .02. Debt to Equity (D/E) is the ratio used to measure long term debt. When put into ratio form it allows for a common sized comparison of debt across differen sized companies.

A couple other handy ratios are:
Current Ratio = Current Assets / Current Liabilities
Quick Ratio = Quick Assets / Current Liabilities

The current ratio is a measure of a company's ability to meet short term (12 mos.) expenses. The Quick Ratio is a acid test version that doesn't include inventory in the Current Assets calculation. Generally a 2:1 current ratio and a 1:1 quick ratio are reaonable. I'm not sure about airline industry specifics.

When looking at the Debt to Equity (D/E) ratios a bigger factor is the trend in the ratio over time vs. a balance sheet snapshot. If a company can reduce the long term D/E ratio while maintaining cash the balance sheet is improving.

These links will give you a snapshot of company financials

UAUA http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=UAUA&annual
CAL http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=cal
NWA http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=NWACQ.PK&annual
SWA http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=luv
DAL - Not available, but should be once they start trading again.
 
Wow, another anal-cyst. It's great you can back up your opinions with "I may be way off base."

Bye Bye--General Lee


O.K. General. Here are some of the latest facts on NWA. It was a good quarter. Analyst approval or not, they are doing well.

Like many, I trust the analysts to read and report on the same facts from an earnings report I can read. But I don't trust their guesses at where the industry or individual companies are going. They are often not looking ahead far enough or are just trying to drum up business from the company they are looking at.

I was talking about how much the market will value these companies (stocks). Often stocks go way above or below the value of the enterprise. A guess at the success of the company may have correlation to the stock price, but not necessarily so.


http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070430/20070430006162.html?.v=1

Northwest Airlines Reports First Quarter 2007 Results

Monday April 30, 2:26 pm ET


EAGAN, Minn.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Northwest Airlines Corporation (Pink Sheets:NWACQ - News) today reported a first quarter 2007 pre-tax profit of $100 million before reorganization items which compares to a first quarter 2006 pre-tax loss of $129 million before reorganization items. Including reorganization items, Northwest reported a first quarter 2007 net loss of $292 million versus a $1.1 billion net loss for the first quarter of 2006.


Commenting on the airline's employee gainsharing programs, Steenland added, "A key element of our business plan is the various programs we have instituted to allow employees to share in the success of a profitable Northwest. So far in 2007, the airline distributed to its employees approximately $395 million in profit sharing, performance incentive payments and proceeds from unsecured claims sales that were part of the collective bargaining agreements. Through 2010, we forecast that Northwest employees will receive approximately $1.6 billion in distributions through these programs and claims."

He continued, "We expect to complete our restructuring process in June and emerge as a stronger and profitable company with the highest valuation in the company's history."

First quarter financial overview

Operating revenues in the first quarter decreased by 0.6 percent versus the first quarter of 2006 to $2.87 billion. System passenger revenue increased 7.5 percent to $2.2 billion on 4.7 percent more mainline available seat miles (ASMs), resulting in a 2.7 percent improvement in unit revenue. Including regional carrier revenues, Northwest's consolidated unit revenue improved 1.3 percent on 3.1 percent more ASMs. Operating expenses in the quarter decreased 8.0 percent year-over-year to $2.67 billion. Mainline unit costs, excluding fuel, decreased by 7.5 percent on 4.6 percent more ASMs. See accompanying consolidated notes to the financial statements for additional information regarding year-over-year comparisons.
 
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