Delta Displeasure

[cornbread]

I am frustrated with recently trying to get home after flying over the holidays. Working the holidays: no big deal.
Getting home: big deal.

I am just curious if the pilots at Delta (and others that have a policy like theirs) are bothering their mgt. to change the jumpseat policy. I feel as though they are willing to ride in the back with everyone else, but when it comes time to take someone with
you: "Sorry, one JS, on JSer."

I actually could have gotten home and I would have only used ONE of the 30 open seats in the back.

What gives?

It is not a personal issue because I imagine if the pilots had their way it would be much different. But can't you light a fire.
If you (pilots at companies w/ this poor practice) are out there JS and or commuting on other airlines without lobbying your company to change, then you are essentially pissing on my leg while patting me on the back.

But then again, this is coming from the mgt. of a company who gives middle mgt. a raise while furloughing pilots.
"Force Mejor, What's that?" (spelling?)

I'm done. Thanks.

 

[FL000]

I'm sure the Delta pilots would change the policy in a heartbeat if they could, but the majors have bigger fish to fry right now than trying to get you home for the holidays. Have you read the business section lately?

You say your suggestion is not personal, yet you turn right around and accuse them of being backstabbers (or legpissers...).

 

[FlyingSig]

I agree the policy is silly when there are open seats in the back but keep in mind Delta was the last major to actually get recip. jumpseat. In '95 you wouldn't have been even able to ask for the 1 jumpseat.... give it some time (not to mention the plates kinda full right now as far as negotiating with the company)

Also, if you're going to say the Delta pilots are pissing on your leg, why make no mention of American, Contiental (not CoEx, but mainline) and all the other airlines that have this policy?

Again, I agree it's a silly policy, but when I was commuting, I always had a ID90 in my travel bag for American and CAL for just such instances. They don't cost much, don't expire, and are fully refundable.... it's a nice insurance policy to get you home when you need to.

 

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Any open seat is a jumpseat at ASA. Some how our small, underfunded, MEC had no problem obtaining this policy after Delta started operating us.

Ask your jumpseat coordinator if Comair, Skywest, and ACA have the same J/S policy. If so, I can not imagine that you could not get anywhere on Delta Connection, with a few connecting flights.

Welcome aboard!

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

Any open seat is a jumpseat at ASA. Some how our small, underfunded, MEC had no problem obtaining this policy after Delta started operating us.

Ask your jumpseat coordinator if Comair, Skywest, and ACA have the same J/S policy. If so, I can not imagine that you could not get anywhere on Delta Connection, with a few connecting flights.

Welcome aboard! [/QUOTE

Perhaps they should have been negotiating stronger scope and successorship language?

Sorry, couldn't resist!

(Ducking back into my lurking mode for a little while longer. I needed a break from these boards)

 

[rjcap]

Perhaps they should have been negotiating stronger scope and successorship language?

Scope is dead turkey boy.

Get with the program.

All in good fun !!!

 

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[BPerhaps they should have been negotiating stronger scope and successorship language? [/B]

Well, I was not going there, but since you brought it up. Our union will not allow us to negotiate scope and successorship with Delta. That is one effect of the representational problem.

Politically, there must be some percieved benefit to having multiple J/S at the Regional Level. Perhaps so mainline guys can get to work. Why this logic does not extend to the mainline carriers is a mystery.

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

Fins,

If you had negotiated successorship or change of control language before we bought you, some of your complaints might have been addressed without blaming us.

P.S.
I agree that it would benefit us all to have multiple jumpseaters. That being said, if it is a choice, I would much prefer that my reps spend our negotiating capital protecting Delta pilot jobs.

PPS
We've been over this before, so I won't get into it again. I don't want to be accused of hijacking a thread! I'll leave it by saying that I hope we all get multiple jumpseaters soon. On that, at least, we agree. I also hope that offline cockpit jumpseating is allowed again soon. Taking it away was a typical knee-jerk government solution that attempted to solve a non-existant problem, and in the process, denied us a potentially valuable extra crew member.

 

[rjcap]

If you had negotiated successorship or change of control language before we bought you, some of your complaints might have been addressed without blaming us.

FDJ, Nice spin control.

Are you buddies with Bill Clinton ??

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

FDJ, Nice spin control.

Are you buddies with Bill Clinton ??

I fail to see the spin. What I wrote is a fact.

P.S.
If you knew me and my political views, you would find great humor in your Clinton question.

 

[FL000]

HOLY SHE-YAT! You've done it again!

You girls thhhhhhtop iiiiit.

 

[DaveGriffin]

[(Ducking back into my lurking mode for a little while longer. I needed a break from these boards)

FDJ;
After the rapid succession of bad news that has been shoveled on the DL furloughees over the past 6 weeks, I'm surprised to see you up and out of the bomb shelter this soon.

 

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Bad news - you mean ALPA's re establishing limits on DCI pilots did not make you happy, or return the furloughees to work? When are you going to realize that if the RJDC had got what they wanted you would be in the left seat of a brand spanking new CRJ700 eating lunch in Key West? You should not be angry with us, but you should be furious with ALPA's National's divide and conquer strategy instead of bringing us together and bringing you to where the work is.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Fins,

If you had negotiated successorship or change of control language before we bought you, some of your complaints might have been addressed without blaming us.

In that case, we had it. It is call the ALPA Constitution and Bylaws. What we did not anticipate is the bad faith refusal of ALPA to follow their own established procedures. Should ASA's MEC apologize for following the rules? ALPA's attorneys advised us during our contract negotiations and ALPA National agreed to the contract under their bargaining authority.

Your MEC hijacked the 2000 BOD meeting. The unfortunate result of thier malfeasance is that you are furloughed and I am upgrading as fast as they can train us.

Amazingly they screwed you worse than they screwed me, but I am sure they stay up at nights trying to think of ways to reverse the situation.

Coming together would have been so much better a plan.

 

[trainerjet]

Even though this thread was about Delta's jumpseat policy before being turned into another RJDC debate (though FDJ tried to turn it back , Fins seemingly won't let go), it's good to see that Dave was ignored.....again.

 

[cornbread]

If you (pilots at companies w/ this poor practice) are out there JS and or commuting on other airlines without lobbying your company to change, then you are essentially pissing on my leg while patting me on the back.

The key words are IF and WITHOUT.

Also, if you're going to say the Delta pilots are pissing on your leg, why make no mention of American, Contiental (not CoEx, but mainline) and all the other airlines that have this policy?

see portion of above quote in parenthesis
and the one below

Delta (and others that have a policy like theirs)

I know this is tiny in the big picture.

later